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  • Demo BEFORE Civ3's Release?

    Well, I'm still off the Civ3 boards 'indefinitely' but couldn't pass up posting this thread. I won't bicker about it or anything but am just posting it here to see what people think. Mainly I'm lurking unless I have something 'new' to contribute.

    I ran across something Brian Reynolds said back in 1998 about how the SMAC demo released BEFORE the game was finished helped them a great deal. Now, let's just imagine there are gamers out there not convinced that Civ3 will be anything new or are concerned that player feedback has been, well, ignored or 'covertly listened to': Such a pre-release demo used for feedback purposes could prove immensely inspiring for those in the 'undecided' column.

    This assumes, of course, the demo itself is inspiring...

    Then, it was time to release our demo. We had originally thought of the demo entirely as a marketing tool, but as soon as we released it we realized that it made perfect sense as part of our process: Here was a fairly polished, almost-final version of our game in the hands of the public, and as soon as the thing was out we started getting all sorts of feedback from it. Since the release version of Alpha Centauri was still in final testing, and our actual ship date was more than a month away, we had time to incorporate many suggestions from e-mail and Internet newsgroups into the retail version - much to the game's benefit.

    Thanks to the demo release, we could make improvements to the game's interface, add a couple of new features, and fix a few glitches found by demo users that had somehow slipped through our testing process. Most significantly, the design of the game itself was still "in play" during the demo process - we could improve some rules, fine-tune the game balance, and improve the AI, all based on feedback we got from the Internet. Even though we hadn't planned it that way, the demo release really proved to be a perfect addition to our design repertoire.
    I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

    "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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    That'd be prefect
    Not only our Civ3 cravings will be satisfied till the final release, but if people get to know the (pre)game by playing it they can make better suggestions than if we only had screenshots to look at. I really hope that Firaxis does it for Civ3 for everyone's benefit.
    Learn the mistakes of yesterday to prevent the ones of tomorrow...

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    • #3
      yin, i love the way you managed to go on "exile" without really leaving


      anyway, first of all, there WILL be a demo. firaxis always made demos for their games, and infogrames seems to be doing the same(check their site).

      second, if the demo is done like smac, it will be very good for civ3. if you consider that the demo was out on december 25 and the game was released on february 9(that's more than 2 months between the two dates), guess how you can call the smac demo....
      Co-Founder, Apolyton Civilization Site
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarkG
        yin, i love the way you managed to go on "exile" without really leaving
        Oh well, also prisoner waiting on the death area of a prison are allowed to send some mail, aren't they? Or is Yin26 guilty of something worst of a first degree omicide? God/Sid annoying, perhaps?

        anyway, first of all, there WILL be a demo. firaxis always made demos for their games, and infogrames seems to be doing the same(check their site).
        Reasonable guess, but not confirmed until now from Firaxis. Let's hope will not be another "window that never open"

        second, if the demo is done like smac, it will be very good for civ3. if you consider that the demo was out on december 25 and the game was released on february 9(that's more than 2 months between the two dates), guess how you can call the smac demo....
        True, but considering how well it did for SMAC (still far from a proper open beta, AFAIK) someone should wonder why Firaxis didn't learn, improving from the experience...

        Back to Yin question: yes, the demo will help me a lot into my game buy/not buy decision. Probably on a par with very good reviews I'll read from trusted players I know here, and a friend of mine (great analytic player, but really too lazy to join Apolyton community ).

        Sometime a demo helped me to appreciate (and buy) games that I barely considered on first glance... In a burst of enthusiasm a great demo would give me decide to buy the expensive "Sid Meier's Cookies Box Civ III Limited Edition"
        "We are reducing all the complexity of billions of people over 6000 years into a Civ box. Let me say: That's not only a PkZip effort....it's a real 'picture to Jpeg heavy loss in translation' kind of thing."
        - Admiral Naismith

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        • #5
          A demo would be very cool. I wish they'd release the editors, too, so we can get cracking on making maps, scenarios, mods, etc...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by El hidalgo
            I wish they'd release the editors, too, so we can get cracking on making maps, scenarios, mods, etc...
            now that is an INCREDIBLY WONDERFULL idea. most of these tools are not going to be change in the last months. why not release them on the net to get the scenario makers started?
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            • #7
              Markos: I'm pretty much out of anything left to say about Civ3, but I felt that this pre-release demo idea really needed to be mentioned since it might well make a very helpful difference for Civ 3 and this community. Please still consider me in 'exile' on this forum otherwise...(and yes, anything to help the mod and AI people get cracking earlier would be outstanding).
              I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

              "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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              • #8
                To me it seems that if Firaxis wants to benefit and implement feedback from a pre-release demo, the demo should have to be made available now.
                Somebody told me I should get a signature.

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                • #9
                  Hm I think a demo would indeed be a nice teaser and a good way to incorporate user feedback, but I haven't heard any mention of a possible demo release.

                  Perhaps Firaxis will settle for a inner-circle playtest this time around to save time. I might add that I'd rather have the game this year in a *slightly* less polished version than having to wait another year for *very* minor improvements.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MarkG

                    second, if the demo is done like smac, it will be very good for civ3. if you consider that the demo was out on december 25 and the game was released on february 9(that's more than 2 months between the two dates), guess how you can call the smac demo....
                    Let's see, if the game really is coming out in october, 2 months before that would be.... RIGHT NOW!!!

                    where is it??
                    Any man can be a Father, but it takes someone special to be a BEAST

                    I was just about to point out that Horsie is simply making excuses in advance for why he will suck at Civ III...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Father Beast
                      Let's see, if the game really is coming out in october, 2 months before that would be.... RIGHT NOW!!!

                      where is it??
                      obviously it's not coming out in october
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                      • #12
                        obviously it's not coming out in october
                        Stop teasing Mark
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                        • #13
                          I went to amazon.com to preorder civ and it said "this item will be released on october 17, 2001". Check it out for yourself at:

                          Second official member of OfAPeCiClu [as of 27-07-2001 12:13pm]: We will force firaxis to make a GOOD game through our sheer negativity!

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                          • #14
                            hmm if firaxcis does this theyd have to take a risk that people wouldnt like it, and might not buy the full game..

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                            • #15
                              By the way: so far amazon is the cheapest site ive found for preordering civ3
                              Second official member of OfAPeCiClu [as of 27-07-2001 12:13pm]: We will force firaxis to make a GOOD game through our sheer negativity!

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