whats better, ctp or civ3?

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Pedrunn
CTP tryed to bear the civ name. But I guess Firaxis threatened and they took it off from CTP2.

wrong

microprose and activision made a deal for one game to have the word "civilization". that was ctp1 whose name is still "Civilization: Call to Power"....

[Pedrunn]

Thanks Markos i did not konw that

[Pedrunn]

Re: I dont know what the problem is...

Originally posted by Uffty
CTP2 was meant to be an improvement to them all. They really wanted to give us some good game to play. And my game is good to play. Even without any Mods and so, i can play it.

I really have to agree with Tiberius and Mannamagnus. The first time i played it went direct to the shelf and stayed there until i discovery the mods while checking the others forums when i was part of the civ3 community.
I cant imagine someone playing CTP2 unmodded and enjoying specially because of extremely passive AI.
Take a look at the mods. At least play the CTP2 Apolyton pack that is bug fixer.

[hexagonian]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
It's a shame that Dr. Freud is no longer around, still I suggest you get your head examined Uffty.

Oh brother, insulting posters because they express a PREFERENCE????

I still remain unconvinced that CIV3 will be the groundbreaking game it's all hyped up to be. Granted, there are a lot of good features in it - but up to this point the only two that look to be a cut above are the implementation of culture and the need for goods to build units. Many of the 'so-called' additions are adoptions from the CTP series. (and yes, CTP uses a lot from civ2 - duh!!!) That is the nature of the game.

If you are a civ2 player who is looking forward to civ3, you better be concerned about the one issue that really matters - the AI. I genuinely hope that this issue will be resolved somewhat, but without resorting to a massive amouts of AI boosts and cheats, I do not believe it is possible at this time.

At least civ3 has improved the graphics - though the map still needs work.

I will say this much...I do think Activision rushed CTP2 out - some more work and the game would not needed to have been modded - though the only issue that was glaringly broken was the passive AI. All other issues were a matter of preference. If you do not like certain units, screens and so forth - repeat after me, boys and girls - ITS ONLY A PREFERENCE!!!

Yes, it needed to be modded. Comparing CTP2 unmodded with civ2? - its no contest, civ2 wins hands down. But the CTP2 Mods have done a great job in cleaning up the mess.

And buggy...I have the patch that they released and have not experienced an in-game crash yet.

I fully expect all of the Deity level civ2 players to have civ3 figured out within a few weeks. But other than a few who are genuinely concerned about AI issues, most will be praising civ3 to the heavens because of preference issues.

Those of you who have beaten the CTP2 Mods probably will not have too much problem with civ3 - though I doubt that you will be too critical of its shortcoming either.

[hexagonian]

BTW, Markos, when can I get my Cradle Mod posted at Apolyton???

Been impatiently waiting...

I have it all zipped into one file on my site. Dan had said he would post it here. It needs to be redownloaded from my site since I talked to him a couple of months ago, since it has been adapted to Modswapper.

Check my thread in the CTP2 Mod section for address.

cradle_allfiles.zip is the one you need.

[Mannamagnus]

Oh brother, insulting posters because they express a PREFERENCE????

I don't think my remark was very insulting but he had it coming because of his own remark:

I dont know what you are all up to, but I dont think you'll get a free copy of Civ II for you "ass-licking" posts.

So please read the messages in a forum before you start lecturing Hexagonian.

[Grumbold]

His post was potentially offensive but was not targetted at any specific individual and it did spend more time listing reasons why he had a preference. Yours was purely a personal attack against a particular poster, making it just as much a violation of board etiquette.

[Mannamagnus]

I guess you're probably right Grumbold. And if so I apologise. But still I think he needs to get his head examined.

[hexagonian]

...well he did make the 'ass-licking' comment, which could be considered offensive to a whole group of people (civ2 supporters in this thread), so I guess the rebuttal comment could be justified.

Hey, I lectured with a wink though

Now back to the discussion.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Pedrunn
You are right, Aplolyton pack just fixes the bugs. If you really want to see changes play craddle and MM2.

I will do that, but I (still) haven't finnished one single game since the installation of the Apolyton patch

[Saint Marcus]

Best civ game? Sid Meier's COLONIZATION!!! That game kicked ass! I don't want CTP2 or Civ3, I want Colonization 2!

[splangy]

Originally posted by Mark L
Best civ game? Sid Meier's COLONIZATION!!! That game kicked ass! I don't want CTP2 or Civ3, I want Colonization 2!

*sigh* SID MIER DIDN'T CREATE CTP!!!

ps- Colonization sucked

[SerapisIV]

ps- Colonization sucked

Survey Says...X

Sorry, you hit a whammy.

Colonizaton did kick a$s and had a whole bunch of innovations and economic modelling that would be great additions to the civ series if they could be abstracted to a 6,000 year game as opposed to just a 300 year game.

[Uffty]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus


I don't think my remark was very insulting but he had it coming because of his own remark:



So please read the messages in a forum before you start lecturing Hexagonian.

Mannamagnus, my half-german-dutch friend :-) that was not meant to be taken seriously. I hope yours not either. I consider us all here as a community and not as enemies, but I guess somehow, my nationality still brings a kind of hate into your soul. I'm sorry! Please take it as a joke! ANYTHING

Regards, Uffty

[Ralf]

Originally posted by SerapisIV
Colonizaton did kick a$s...

Yes, it was a great game in its own right. I wouldnt mind a second comming one of these days.