whats better, ctp or civ3?

[S. Kroeze]

It is highly exceptional that I agree with Urban Ranger or Imran S. on any issue. Yet on CtP we agree completely. I think that settles this discussion.

I only played CtP once and was utterly bored, though I liked the slaver and some other ideas. And the lay-out was rather neo-fascist in my opinion. After my first CivII game I couldn't sleep at all!
CtP II I have never played when the Diplomat -one of the better posters on this Forum- had told me he was rather disappointed because of the passivity of the AI, so I never even tried it.

I think Civ III will not be what I had hoped it would bring -no Domestic Policies, no Rise and Fall- yet I will try it anyway.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It is highly exceptional that I agree with Urban Ranger or Imran S. on any issue. Yet on CtP we agree completely. I think that settles this discussion.

Yep, discussion over .

[Pedrunn]

Originally posted by Lord Magnus
At least Civ3 won't have more bugs than an anthill.

Originally posted by tniem

Many of the features in CtP were really cool additions to the genre and it made the games fun to play. But there were just to many bugs. And in my opinion there was just to much of everything that was not balanced against each other.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
LOL! HAHAHHAHAHAHAAH ROFLMAO!

Comparing CtP (Crap to Play) to Civ3. That's funny. Civ3, even though it isn't even released yet. I bet the beta of Civ3 has less bugs than the final release of CtP .

You guys are all right. CTP2 was too buggy but you must play it mooded. Like Mr Pleasant said Activision launched a plataform and call it a game. And now i can say that it is amazing with greater and new features like Elite Units( When discovering an advance you have 1 out of 6 of getting a special cultural based unit), Wonder Units (Special unit you get after building a wonder) and many others features. It is worthy to see.

Originally posted by connorkimbro
Any game that need's to be hacked to death just to make it playable isn't worth my money.

Thats why i use a pirated CD.


PS: before start talking you guy should take a look in the CTP2 forum in the thread with this same game in wich we the CTP2 defenders already made our points.

[Pedrunn]

Originally posted by ADG
Right now I have the Apolypton patch installed, but it seems like it only makes mnior changes.

You are right, Aplolyton pack just fixes the bugs. If you really want to see changes play craddle and MM2.

Originally posted by rah
I played CTP II. It had some real nice concepts that I really liked. But by the end of the second game, I was bored because the game and the AI sucked. But since I liked some of the concepts, I downloaded the mods and tried again. They helped but didn't help enough. So while I have great respect and appreciation for all those that contributed to the mods, the game, even moded, still sucked.

Originally posted by S. Kroeze
CtP II I have never played when the Diplomat -one of the better posters on this Forum- had told me he was rather disappointed because of the passivity of the AI, so I never even tried it.

You will never talk bad about a pasive AI after playing Craddle at impossible level. The AI had a huge improvment with the mods. give it a try again.

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by Pedrunn
You will never talk bad about a pasive AI after playing Craddle at impossible level. The AI had a huge improvment with the mod give it a try again.

I have to agree with you. I still don't play CtP2 much because there are some fundamental parts of the interface and game design that I do not like. It absolutely without question provides a far superior challenge in single player than the crap Civ2/SMAC AI. The difference is that in CtP you can write a mod to eliminate abuses like the OCC but in Civ2 you only had very limited scope to customise. If Firaxis repeat their design strategy then many AI flaws built into the initial release will remain flaws five years later because they will not be fixable by anyone else.

[jerkwaterbox]

CtP doesn't even have the right to bear the name Civilization anymore, which I think is a relief since that game stunk more then a pile of flaming dog crap.

[Apocalypse]

I remember when the time when CTP and Civilization III were considered the same game by Activision...I wonder if I can still find a newsgroup post where it was mentioned...here's one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...435,31&start=0

I also remember that time when Imran posted that nasty April fool's joke I could find a link to that too, if it was easily accessable.

[joseph1944]

I like the CTP serials and I like the Civ serials. Two difference games, IMHO to hard to compare. For me WesW mod is adding to the game, and I'm still playing it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

What April Fool joke was that, Will?

I just remember the last one about the Moderator stuff...

I can't believe Craptivision tried to pass on the lie that CtP was the official sequal to Civ2!!!! What a bunch of *******s!

[Mister Pleasant]

I'm not to upset about CTP2 not bearing the Civ name - it's a different yet derivative game. Kind of like the fact that Marilyn Manson is completely derivative from KISS but the world is a much richer place for having them both. I've enjoyed CTP2 ever since MedMod and ApolPack came out. No doubt I'll enjoy Civ3 when it comes out. And oh yeah, I'm modfying stuff after I play the game straight a couple of times. I played around with Civ2 the moment I found out it could be modified. Even used LView Pro to convert the units.gif file from gif to bmp so I could manipulate the picture in paintshop.

As for Kimbro, the only thing I have to say is you know you'd pleasure an entire male correctional facility for a hacked version of civ2 that fixed AI diplomacy and strategy, so don't give me this crap about hacked games. If its fun, its fun. In fact, modders are the first people you'll go crying to if Civ3 has some balance issues. I hope Civ3 is well balanced and bug free, but I won't sweat it much if it has problems that can be fixed by modders. (Although I am vehemently opposed to the laziness and lack of QA in the software industry today, and such behavior will reflect poorly on Firaxis . . .).

[Lou Wigman]

I have heard of brand loyalty but what is being written in this thread is astonishing! Aren't any of you gents prepared to sample the wares of a non Sid Meyer game? (Not that Sid Meyer has anything much to do with civ3 anyway.)

I have played CTP almost as often as Civ2 and it is NOT that different. The interface leaves a good deal to be desired but it is a very enjoyable game to play if you give it a fair go. The new concepts such as public works and the combat model help make it a superior game to civ2 in almost all respects. The AI in CTP is better then that in civ2 as well. Certainly it doesn't cheat as much.

CTP2 on the other hand was a disaster. The AI is utterly passive. Even with the medmod it just sits there and does nothing. (Sorry WesW et al)

So how about it folks, leave out some of the vitriol and put your brains into gear before tapping away at that keyboard!

[Uffty]

I dont know what the problem is...

I like CTP2 much more than CivII. Maybe its because I use the german versions, and I dont know any major bugs in the german version of CTP2. Ok there had to be a patch. But the game is running smoothly and fine looking.

CTP2 is more realistic than Civ II. I dont know what you are all up to, but I dont think you'll get a free copy of Civ II for you "ass-licking" posts. Be honest!!

Civ is an ancient game thats stops in the modern age! with many colorful buttons and oh so funny units.

CTP2 was meant to be an improvement to them all. They really wanted to give us some good game to play. And my game is good to play. Even without any Mods and so, i can play it.

I havent played Civ II for almost 1,5 years and I dont miss it. I'm curious about Civ III but as my experience says, every computer game has a dead!!

[Mannamagnus]

It's a shame that Dr. Freud is no longer around, still I suggest you get your head examined Uffty.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
It's a shame that Dr. Freud is no longer around, still I suggest you get your head examined Uffty.

LOL! I concur, your Excellency!

[Pedrunn]

Originally posted by jerkwaterbox
CtP doesn't even have the right to bear the name Civilization anymore, which I think is a relief since that game stunk more then a pile of flaming dog crap.

CTP tryed to bear the civ name. But I guess Firaxis threatened and they took it off from CTP2.