whats better, ctp or civ3?

[splangy]

were having a heated discusion about this in the ctp forums so i felt it was only fair to post it here, also becouse that thread has degenerated to me vs the entire ctp2 comunity, so im out numbered about 5 to 1 ( )

anyone who thinks its unfair to judge civ3 to ctp2 becouse civ3 isn't out yet, just base it off of your current feelingsabout civ3 and your feelings about ctp.

[Zanzin]

Well, seeing as CTP 1 and 2 were complete pieces of ****, I'll have to say civ3 is better. Sure, it's not even out yet, but a 3 three year old could do a better job of making a game than all those monkies at Activision combined. Seeing as it's Sid Mier making civ3, it's got to be a hell of a lot better!

[Paul L]

I really hope civ3 will be better than ctp2

It can't be must worse, can it

[Lord Magnus]

At least Civ3 won't have more bugs than an anthill.

[Skanky Burns]

Hmmm, a tough choice...

Civ 3 - With the person who made the original Civ
or
CTP - A cheap clone of someone else's ideas...

I know !! CIV 3!!

[Lord Magnus]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
CTP - A cheap clone of someone else's ideas...

CTP had some good ideas and the gameplay for the most part was pretty good. I loved the space cities and Sci-Fi tech. But what probally pissed everyone off about CTP and CTP2 is that the bugs sometimes caused the game to crash and also the game was unbalanced in some areas ("the group of ragtag warriors took down my high tech/state of the art space figther, what a rip off" and "why do cities preform the best in forests and jungles?") and it really pissed me off that you can't have a settler join the cities population, it would of been very useful in building up those space cities. As many good ideas that CTP had, the bugs just killed it. And what probally put the final nail in the coffin is that instead of Crapvision patching CTP, they make CTP2 and release it within a year of CTP. Finish the job and don't just make another crappy game you bastards !!! At least Civ3 has it's good ideas and plus it works.

[monkspider]

It would seem that I'm one of a slim minority here who enjoyed the CtP games. I personally believe that CtP 2 with the Apolyton patch is a better game than Civ 2. Granted Civ 2 is virtually eons old, so it's really not a fair comparison. To any of those who still doubt the CtP series, I have but two words for you: Dino Park.
Nuff said IMHO

[Mister Pleasant]

Gee, which do I prefer? A game I haven't seen, much less played yet, or one I have? What a dumb question.

Things that look promising about Civ3 is the resource system (always wondered how I could have an army full of tanks but no oil! Guess I can't now . . .)

CTP2 with either MedMod2 or the Apolyton pack will be the benchmark for Civ3 to match or excel - and that will be a tough job. Especially given that chariots with a 1 attack rating makes it appear that Civ3 might have balance issues equal to unmodified CTP2. But like CTP2, modders will no doubt correct any flaws in civ3 (which means pray to whatever Deity that Firaxis leaves as much of the game open to modification as possible.)

Yeah, Sid made the first civ game but doesn't mean he won't go stale. Sargon of Akkad may have run the first standing army, but doesn't mean he should be on the Joint Chiefs of Staff today.

[tniem]

I have a hard time judging a game that has yet to been released against a game that has already come out.

Many of the features in CtP were really cool additions to the genre and it made the games fun to play. But there were just to many bugs. And in my opinion there was just to much of everything that was not balanced against each other.

Now Civ III on the other hand also looks to have a ton of new additions that could be fun to play and mess around with. Sure it is the same old game, but heck I can buy another reincarnation of it for the eigth or ninth time. But then again, it could have tons of bugs. I hope not but well, who knows?

And so I think I will reserve judgement until October 20th or whatever.

[connorkimbro]

CTP2 with either MedMod2 or the Apolyton pack will be the benchmark for Civ3 to match or excel

Any game that need's to be hacked to death just to make it playable isn't worth my money.

Second, I think it's only fair to compare the actual published versions of games. Not hacked to death versions.

Third, even when it IS hacked to death, CTP2 is, at BEST. . playable. Civ2 is still better.

Thus, Civ2 is the benchmark, not CTP.

[Urban Ranger]

I bought CtP in a store the moment I saw it. After installing the game I was totally flabbergasted by the interface. All the controls were strewn all over the place; it was a real effort to get anything done. It stayed on for a couple of days before I deinstalled the game and gave it away.

There are a large number of units and civ advances but Activision designed the thing completely wrong. First of all it had to be different for the sake of being different, this applies to wonders, units, and other aspects. Secondly a number of units totally unbalances the game, e.g. Slavers and Corp Branches. Thirdly I hardly needed to research the furtistic advances and units I won the few games I played before that, because of the aforementioned unbalancing units.

CtP 2 was worse. It was half-arsed and wasn't even finished.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Mister Pleasant
Yeah, Sid made the first civ game but doesn't mean he won't go stale. Sargon of Akkad may have run the first standing army, but doesn't mean he should be on the Joint Chiefs of Staff today.

Of course not. Sargon of Akkad hasnt been around for many years, and so wouldnt know the current military strategies, weapons, etc. A missile, whats that??

Sid, on the other hand, has been actively involved with games programming since the release of Civ. Stale has nothing to do with it IMHO.

This Civ is being built upon all the good features from civ 1/2 ctp 1/2 smac, and features from these games that detracted from the gaming experience have been cut out. The only way a game based upon Civ could be bad is if it is buggy and/or unbalanced.

[Tiberius]

I can't tell if I prefer Civ3 or CTP2, because I didn't play Civ3 yet. But I can answer to the following question:
"What's better: CTP2 or Civ2". My answer is: Civ2 !!!
Maybe CTP had some good ideas or cool additions, but missed the most important attributes: the fun, the simplicity and the "civ feeling" of Civ1 and 2.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Funny...

LOL! HAHAHHAHAHAHAAH ROFLMAO!

Comparing CtP (Crap to Play) to Civ3. That's funny. Civ3, even though it isn't even released yet. I bet the beta of Civ3 has less bugs than the final release of CtP .

[Mister Pleasant]

Hey Kimbro, Skanky, and Tiberius:

The following rant has been censored due to flargantly obscene language and suggestions. Which is a shame given the thoroughly amusing content, involving mothers, cucumbers, leather, and activities that are illegal in both Texas and Utah

As for hacked game you know you would get on your knees and again, this rather amusing bit is censored for content if someone could hack Civ2 and fix some of the more agregious flaws. As for hacked to death, if you are too lazy to download some zip files and extract them to a folder you can use your imagination. So yeah, if the hacked version of a game is really good, then you count that version. It's all about the fun, right? My complaint with CTP2 was that Activision released a development platform and called it a game.

Tiberius, what the hell is the "civ feeling"? I get the feeling it is primarily caused by the box reading 'Sid Meier' as opposed to any actual gameplay.

Frankly, I think Civ3 could very well surpass CTP2+mods, and I've rarely been disappointed by a Meier game. But the fact is, I play CTP2 with mods and really enjoy it (I've even done some fine tuning on my own). And if Civ3 doesn't measure up, then its shelfware. All I'm saying is wait for the damn game to come out and shake it down before you compare with other stuff and kiss Sid's pale ass. And if you have not played CTP2 with the mods, then don't make the comparison. How the hell can you compare two games you haven't played? Answer - you can't. So have a nice cool glass of shut-the-hell-up.