Game inbalance through limited resources?

[Vlad Antlerkov]

And if there is no uranium on a random map? What then? No nuclear arms "race" (I'm still skeptical that the AI will be able to stay in technological lockstep with a human player)?

I think the amount of uranium might be determined at least in part by the planet age (remember that selection for random maps?). Younger planets might have more uranium, older planets less. (10-billion-year-old planets might have very little uranium, but at that planet age, I think any civs on that planet would have other problems to deal with, such as their sun about to drop out of the main sequence. )

[Inverse Icarus]

fool.

sorry about that. slipped.

anyway, FIRAXIS GUARANTEED that there will be at least 3 areas for each resource on a random map.

BELEIVE MY FRIEND. BELIEVE IN GOD SID!

[XarXo]

Back-Effects of Resurces & More

Well, anybody has think in the secondary effects with the resurces?

If Ivory makes extra happy citizens, WHAT WILL MAKE URANIUM???? I don't know anybody who says "oh! We've uranium, a Nucler Power Plant and a Nuclear Residus Diposit, WE ARE HAPPY!!" And, what will hapens with our "precious" Ivory when we discover Ecology? "Killing elefants make us happy???" If there are GOOD effects, also MUST exists the BAD ones!!!

And... 3 squares? What happens if ALL the squares appears at the Antarctica???? I can't imagine a war and a network of colonies in our precious sixth continent. Penguins working at mines? WOW!! We need a Penguin-Civ and Penguin-Barbarians, also Penguin-culture, Penguin-units... Well... Returning to the real world , the consecuences of a nasty-for-cities-and-very-very-rich-in-resources continent could be an exciting success !!!

Sorry for the stupid list of tribes... Is the biggest mistake in the game (in my opinions, of course...) .

[ixnay]

I think there will be 3 regions of resources, not just 3 squares...

It would be amusing, if a technologically inferior civilization (unknowingly) controlled most of the uranium, and wonders why everyone else is intent on conquering them...

[ixnay]

Double post...

[dearmad]

I hope we can adjust the frequency of certain resources- I'd love to play on a Uranium poor planet where some AI CIV controls it all- scary and challenging. I'd probably specify 1 region or 2 max for Uranium every game.

The more I think abut it the more I like the resource change I've read about being added to CivIII- the designers seem to have done an excellent job with their chosen additions.

[genghisvick]

Re: Game inbalance through limited resources?

Originally posted by Mannamagnus
From what I get from the info we got so far is that some resources are very scarce. So I guess it's not unimaginable that at some point you control all uranium deposits.
This means that if that happens you have a virtual carte blanche to nuke the s**t out of all the other civs as long as you don't trade uranium with anybody.

Hopefully resources will be somewhat spreadout so it will be hard to control all of any resource.

[Warm Beer]

Originally posted by Kyller

It would be amusing, if a technologically inferior civilization (unknowingly) controlled most of the uranium, and wonders why everyone else is intent on conquering them...

Yet another reason the resource model is wonderfull... increased realism.

[TechWins]

I'm not sure if anybody else ever noticed this but I'm going to show it anyways.

Resources, like iron, oil, and uranium, allow the construction of specific units and buildings.

That quote came from civ3.com. This means that you will need certain resources to build certain buildings. This will only be sucessful if there isn't a building such as the Civ2 aqueduct that if you don't build it your city will be severly hampered. What I mean is that if you don't have a certain resource to build some important buildings this could unbalance the game. This might play a little too much importance on resources. What do you guys think of this?

[Inverse Icarus]

EW! BUILDINGS?!?!?!

if i dont have erm.... ehhh... i cant think of anything right now...

ah ha! oil for a port facility?

[shade]

Uranium=> nuclear plant


I'm amazed noone thought of this:what about a world wide embargo against ... YOU,the human player.We all know what happens in Civ2 when you are a decent civ,every AI creates a pact against you,this could now happen with resources.
OR they can act as in Civ2 and demand whatever they want for the resource you need.
(another reason to hope for a somewhat smarter/more logical AI)

Shade

[Odin]

I think the new resorce model is very good, I just hope the AI can use it and doesn't automatically reject any offer! VERY IRRITATING!!! :banned:

If the AI is at least competent imagine the posibillites of diplomacy: you are the only nation with plentiful horses (You live on dry plains, rest live on the wet coast) if any nation goes to war with you or your allies NO KNIGHTS FOR THEM!!!

[Rusty Nail]

user defined resource availability

It would be useful if the availability of individual resources could be defined as a map parameter. This could be used to correct any unintentional imbalances and to create some special game situations, e.g. you could make it impossible for anyone to build certain buildings or units, for example nukes (no uranium), which I don't care for anyway. It might also be a way of improving the AI if they have certain tendencies , i.e. give them a little edge. Also useful of course for scenario building. Have they said anything about this?

[Imran Siddiqui]

If Ivory makes extra happy citizens, WHAT WILL MAKE URANIUM????

Ivory is a luxury in the game, Uranium is not.

And I agree, limited resources changes the game dramatically. Making trade and good neighbor relations very important. It won't be like Civ2; that's for sure.

[Christantine The Great]

Um, you forgot something, people. Resources run out AND get discovered elsewhere. If you happen to have a uranium hog and you discover some uranium in your territory then you can distribute it to your allies and the enemy won't have a monopoly anymore. Plus if there is a hog and you don't find any of the resource then unleash your army on his X fields and claim them for yourself. Ever war before, people?