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I'll be posting a lot less for a while.
Since I have been the point-man for pessimism for quite some time, I hope my quiet will allow you guys who are excited by what you hear more room to change the forum's tone, if you want. At this point, I feel I have the key information I was waiting for and have pretty much come to my own conclusions, though looking at the official site when it luanches could change some things, of course.
To my fellow pessimists, we now know we will have a 'conservative sequel.' Others point to Civ 2 and say: "That was pretty conservative, and look how great that was!" True. But a conservative sequel to Civ 1 is one thing. A conservative sequel 10 years AFTER Civ 1 simply isn't enough for me...and I think for many others. There was a time, of course, when I felt just an updated Civ 2 would be enough. Anyway...
Perhaps it's simply a matter that the Civ formula has gone as far as it can go without making an entirely new game? While I feel this is NOT the case, I will be very happy simply knowing that what new ideas there ARE in Civ 3 seem to have been heavily influenced by those of us here who didn't take a defeatist attitude and simply stay quiet. Even the pressure for better graphics now and in the past has been the primary push on Firaxis to promise to do better. We have expressed our ideas and given criticisms, some of which have greatly helped Civ 3 and Firaxis in general.
That is a victory for all of us. Even the naysayers will enjoy the benefits. Alright you guys who are excited about Civ 3: Post Away free from Yin's dark brooding. I will no longer post anything negative unless it is about some strikingly new item of information that crystalizes what I have been trying to say. Other than that, I've said all I can and will fade for some time:
Since I have been the point-man for pessimism for quite some time, I hope my quiet will allow you guys who are excited by what you hear more room to change the forum's tone, if you want. At this point, I feel I have the key information I was waiting for and have pretty much come to my own conclusions, though looking at the official site when it luanches could change some things, of course.
To my fellow pessimists, we now know we will have a 'conservative sequel.' Others point to Civ 2 and say: "That was pretty conservative, and look how great that was!" True. But a conservative sequel to Civ 1 is one thing. A conservative sequel 10 years AFTER Civ 1 simply isn't enough for me...and I think for many others. There was a time, of course, when I felt just an updated Civ 2 would be enough. Anyway...
Perhaps it's simply a matter that the Civ formula has gone as far as it can go without making an entirely new game? While I feel this is NOT the case, I will be very happy simply knowing that what new ideas there ARE in Civ 3 seem to have been heavily influenced by those of us here who didn't take a defeatist attitude and simply stay quiet. Even the pressure for better graphics now and in the past has been the primary push on Firaxis to promise to do better. We have expressed our ideas and given criticisms, some of which have greatly helped Civ 3 and Firaxis in general.
That is a victory for all of us. Even the naysayers will enjoy the benefits. Alright you guys who are excited about Civ 3: Post Away free from Yin's dark brooding. I will no longer post anything negative unless it is about some strikingly new item of information that crystalizes what I have been trying to say. Other than that, I've said all I can and will fade for some time:
I am full of piss and vinager (more of the first than the last) and i am always ready for an arguement(this comming from a guy who argue's with girls just to piss them off and that isn't a good thing by the way). I promise i will not blindly follow the hype of the PR machine at Firaxis(assuming they ever had one). So fear not pessimism will live on in your absense.
and if the game is not the best Civ game i will go and get Sid's people and lock them up until they make that best game ever:banned:
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