What will be Egypts special unit?

[November Adam]

Just to be a thorn in people's side, why have special units at all? Follow me on this one... if you play random maps, which I do exculisevly, special units don't make sense as they don't truly reflect geography, nor game play style.

The British had a kick-ass navy because they lived on an island... should Britian get a special Navel unit if they are stuck in the middle of a pangean type continent?

Or the Egyptians, they had chariots due to the fact they lived in the desert, would those same chariots be any good if they started in the middle of a mountain range?

I personaly thought Civ, was about "what if?" What if my civilization of Mongolians started on the coast with nothing but swamps, and forests around. I would probably move towards an oceanic type of civilization.

Same goes for civilizations with pre determined abilities... these abilities are dictated by our world, and our history. IMHO they shouldn't be determined before hand, as this is just stereotyping. In a game like MOO, racial benifits, and weaknesses make sense, but in CIV it does not.

So here I am once again being a nay sayer. Well that's what I think about this topic... feel free to disagree.

[campmajor!]

An Egypt specific unit could be an engineer. They were really ahead of their time with that!

[Footie Mad]

Originally posted by November Adam
Just to be a thorn in people's side, why have special units at all? Follow me on this one... if you play random maps, which I do exculisevly, special units don't make sense as they don't truly reflect geography, nor game play style.

The British had a kick-ass navy because they lived on an island... should Britian get a special Navel unit if they are stuck in the middle of a pangean type continent?

Or the Egyptians, they had chariots due to the fact they lived in the desert, would those same chariots be any good if they started in the middle of a mountain range?

I personaly thought Civ, was about "what if?" What if my civilization of Mongolians started on the coast with nothing but swamps, and forests around. I would probably move towards an oceanic type of civilization.

Same goes for civilizations with pre determined abilities... these abilities are dictated by our world, and our history. IMHO they shouldn't be determined before hand, as this is just stereotyping. In a game like MOO, racial benifits, and weaknesses make sense, but in CIV it does not.

So here I am once again being a nay sayer. Well that's what I think about this topic... feel free to disagree.

There will be an option to turn it off, the only reason I like the idea is because im sure it will be fun playing with unique units.

[tniem]

Originally posted by November Adam
Just to be a thorn in people's side, why have special units at all?

Been discussed. Most people here will agree with you. Many say no to unique units.

It would seem that Firaxis is going with unique units because that is the current trend of the market today. Personally, I would like unique units to only come based on how you have played and the choices you have made but that may be to hard to implement currently.

[Recurve]

The Chinese special unit would have to be the rickshaw. This could be used as a transport enhancer or a weapon (take your pick).

[death_head]

I don't know how well a rickshaw would hold up in combat...

[November Adam]

Originally posted by tniem


Been discussed. Most people here will agree with you. Many say no to unique units.

It would seem that Firaxis is going with unique units because that is the current trend of the market today. Personally, I would like unique units to only come based on how you have played and the choices you have made but that may be to hard to implement currently.

It seems like a newbie such as myself, would have a hard time making, or bringing up points that haven't been used/stated before.

I like your idea about special units being worked around how you play. I'm not sure it would be that hard to implement, as CTP2 has bonus' that are applied if your the first to do something. Units could work in a similar way. Say the first to reach a tech. or the first to a have a certain number of units... say the first person to have * number of chariots, develope greater skill, and thus get a fancy, unique chariot. Or something of this nature.

I liked the way bonus' worked in CTP2, I think it would be nice to see it added here. Example being the first to discover gunpowder, then all enemie walls aren't as effective for say * turns. This seems to work well as it doesn't screw up play balance, and it forces players to act quickly to take advantage of this new technology.

Very clever.

[TVA22]

To ContradictioN

I have to agree with JamesJKirk. You need to try to be politically correct when you post things in a community forum like this.

Maybe you think you're a veteran of the pacific campaign in WW2, or you think it's still the 1940's, or you think it makes you look cool, or maybe you just can't spell "JAPANESE".

In any event, that is the correct spelling, maybe you'd like to write it down?

I can think of plenty of racial and/or ethnic slurs people could post here, but don't out of respect for who may read these forums. Try to remember to be more correct in the future, unless you like looking like the village uneducated idiot.

[death_head]

Ooh! Ooh! Change his rank! Anyhow, I am of the opinion that Japan prefers to be known as a United States franchise...

[ContradictioN]

What the? I got flamed at!

Was I supposed to be perfect? Sorry!

I'm not like you, I don't know everything.

MarkG, :banned: me, I don't know everything, I am not perfect.

[ContradictioN]

ohh, I see, i said "Japs". Crying out loud man, Lighten up! If you take things like that seriously, you're just kidding yourself.

I'm not against Japanese! I mean... my girlfriend is Asian even!

Telling me how I should type? Leave me alone.

[Mahdimael]

Chinese - Boxed spy planes (1/1/1, gives one technology to the Chinese)

English - Knight with coconuts (4/2/2, carried by an african swallow)

Zulu - Kunta Kinte (5/4/1, keeps a record of all the units that precede and follow it)

Germans - Blitzkrieg Bob (20/1/1, automatically destroys french units it encounters. Wears monocle and talks like Col. Klink)

French - Surrender Monkey (0/3/2, as Willy from the Simpsons says "Ye cheese-eatin surrender monkeys")

Americans - Florida Electorate (?/?/?, stats change every turn)

Russians - Russian Winter (12/1/1, causes all enemies to massively retreat, Russians to laugh, then complain about the cold)

Native American- That Dude from Last of the Mohicans with that Stick thing that whupped butt (20/15/10, man that guy was cool)

Japanese - Super Ninja (300/200/21, based on every 12-year-old American boy's perceptions of the relative strength of a ninja)

Romans - Gladiator (1/1/1, but provides 200 gold when created and another 200 gold when released on DVD)

Greeks - no comment.

Just kidding!

[Col Bigspear]

Col Klink, Surrender monkeys
The Simpsons is just too cool.

Col. Klink "Homer im not really Col. Klink , I'm your guardian angel. I'm just assuming his form"

Homer "Hey did you know Hogan had a radio in the tea pot"

Col. Klink "He did?...... HOMERRRRRRRRRRRR"


You have to see it to really get it.

Russian Special unit- Drunken Boris Yeltsin( wonders around the map Dancing and falling over......etc.)

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Col Bigspear
Col Klink, Surrender monkeys
Col. Klink "Homer I'm not really Col. Klink , I'm your guardian angel. I'm just assuming his form"
Homer "Hey did you know Hogan had a radio in the tea pot"
Col. Klink "He did?...... HOMERRRRRRRRRRRR"

You have to see it to really get it.

You have just given the whole world the best kept secret of WW II. Colonel Hogan and his heroes really won WW II and not the Russian.

I have almost the whole collection.

[Mister Pleasant]

The Japanese call themselves the 'Nipponese' and call their country 'Nippon'.