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  • #31
    I dunno the Nazi's seemed to have had one helluva army, and the citizens seemed to have been whipped up into quite a frenzy.
    But once again facisim has a crap economy.

    So I'm not sure gold is an addequate support cost.

    Granted the States created a rather large army, but for a short time.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by November Adam
      (haven't figured out how to use quotes yet).
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      • #33
        Originally posted by death_head
        I guess I was referring to the way that businesses and civilians jumped into the war effort with a will (in the interest of $$$), whereas in Germany or Russia or wherever, people were forced.
        what do you mean people in Germany or Russia were forced?
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        • #34
          I think death was referring to the Gestapo, and NKYD. Any one who was a disident was killed.

          I believe the Russians had officers who would shoot at their troops if they started to route, to give them that extra "incentive", to stick around.
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          • #35
            i believe people in Germany and Russia support their government's war efford willingly, not forced to do so.
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            • #36
              Adam, first of all the US still has a large army.

              Industry and enconomy will be joining together to make units. The inustry (production) will be producing the units abd enconomy (gold) will be supporting the units after they are built. The industry is still involved after this point because the industry might be out of resources. Everything is tied together so nicely in civ3 that it seems like culture, resources, diplomacy, war, enconomy, etc... all go in a little circle togehter. It's pretty much never ending. Do you understand?
              However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Dida
                i believe people in Germany and Russia support their government's war efford willingly, not forced to do so.
                Hey got the quote! thanks tniem.

                I agree, the majority of Germans supported the Reich, those that didn't either kept quiet, or vanished. As for the Russians, they were allies with the Germans until the Germans decided to attack Russia. So most of the people in Russia supported the army due to the fact that it was self-defence.

                Sorry to get off topic
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by TechWins
                  Adam, first of all the US still has a large army.
                  No argument there.

                  [SIZE=1] Industry and enconomy will be joining together to make units. The inustry (production) will be producing the units abd enconomy (gold) will be supporting the units after they are built. The industry is still involved after this point because the industry might be out of resources. Everything is tied together so nicely in civ3 that it seems like culture, resources, diplomacy, war, enconomy, etc... all go in a little circle togehter. It's pretty much never ending. Do you understand?

                  I get it, I'm curious, as I'm sure everyone is, just how they will pull it off, regarding various governments. Will more militaristic governmnets have cheaper units? If so shouldn't that affect the quality of the unit? Say monetary support refers to wages for soldiers, rearming, repair, etc. Wouldn't less money show thru in morale... etc. (If you don't think so ask the poor suckers in the Canadian Armed forces). But then again this would probably just add more problems then not.
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                  • #39
                    I get it, I'm curious, as I'm sure everyone is, just how they will pull it off, regarding various governments. Will more militaristic governmnets have cheaper units? If so shouldn't that affect the quality of the unit? Say monetary support refers to wages for soldiers, rearming, repair, etc. Wouldn't less money show thru in morale... etc. (If you don't think so ask the poor suckers in the Canadian Armed forces). But then again this would probably just add more problems then not.
                    I think it will probably be done the same way as Civ2. In a despotism you'll start having to pay for the unit when the city builds it's third unit. I hope for every unit that city builds past three the money will be deducted from the national treasury. A republic and democracy will start having to pay for units on the first unit built. This is just a realistic possibility.
                    However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TechWins
                      Adam, first of all the US still has a large army.
                      Someone said about 2 months ago that the Army is around 875,000 now. Air Force around 400,000? Navy around 500,000? Marine about 185,000. That is about 1,960,000. Russia is still over 2,000,000? and China is at 3,000,000 +?

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                      • #41
                        Someone said about 2 months ago that the Army is around 875,000 now. Air Force around 400,000? Navy around 500,000? Marine about 185,000. That is about 1,960,000. Russia is still over 2,000,000? and China is at 3,000,000 +?
                        Even if that is true what is your point? That still is a large army. What it seems like you're trying to say that if somebody has something larger than you, your's isn't large. That really doesn't make much sense. Shaq isn't large (7') because Shawn Bradley is taller (7'6"), no of course not (both play in the NBA).
                        However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by November Adam
                          Urban Ranger, you mention that now an underdeveloped nation won't be able to support a huge army. (haven't figured out how to use quotes yet).

                          An underdeveloped nation wouldn't be able to support a huge army anyways.

                          This is just taking the emphasis off of industry, and putting it on economy.
                          I was speaking in Civ terms. You can have have a large collection of very small cities in older verisons of Civ, each without any facilities at all, but each can support a number of units.

                          BTW I don't think you can separate industry from economy. The former is a component of the latter.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TechWins


                            Even if that is true what is your point? That still is a large army. What it seems like you're trying to say that if somebody has something larger than you, your's isn't large. That really doesn't make much sense. Shaq isn't large (7') because Shawn Bradley is taller (7'6"), no of course not (both play in the NBA).
                            To you and me they are big. I'm 5' 11".

                            Russian population is now smaller than the US. The numbers are now around 267 M to the US 270 M, but they still have over 1 M in their Army, what for?, so one is going to attack them.
                            China is over 3 M in their Army. They will need them to conquer Taiwan, parts of India that they claim. Hell they may even claim the P.I. someday. Have you ever saw where the Parcel Island are? They are about 200 miles from Vietnam (Da Nang), also about the same from Hainan Island.

                            There was talk that if Gore made it the Army was going down to around 790,000. Some General where very unhappy. Bush may still cut the Army to 830,000.

                            Notes I did not make any reference to the Air Forces and Navies of China and Russian.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                              I was speaking in Civ terms. You can have have a large collection of very small cities in older verisons of Civ, each without any facilities at all, but each can support a number of units.
                              You are correct, I concede the point. I was thinking in civ terms, as well, personally I never had a pile of little cities with nothing in them, so I wasn't thinking along those lines.
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                              • #45
                                Naming and more religion

                                I think its a shame religion isn't being bothered with, it shouldn't cause problems with political correctness - everyone knows people have different religions.
                                Religion has been one of the top factors in civilisations , affecting research(insisting on creationist theories, like G Bush - god knows which god created him :nuaghty , growth(banning of contraceptives) , warfare (wars over religion, making terrorist and powerful fanatics), cultural richness, economy with charites, missionary work converting natives and helping good morality.

                                It will be good if different units do take up different amounts of money.. I guess after a certain amount of support money you start paying, for Gov's like Monarchy that give you some free units per city..

                                we also MUST HAVE individual naming of units (slightly off topic)
                                especially if units no longer have a homecity with national suport instead?
                                this would help identify units and make things easier.. u could name your british battleship the Hood , your US aircraft carrier the Enterprise etc

                                Also a fact about slavery-
                                the egyptians used it a lot more with the ancient kings than the Greeks and Romans probably used.. the latter too using technology and tools with less and skilled men.
                                In my CIV TOT addon i've got Slaves as a trade commodity, and also for the name of my settler units (i have rennaisance style Colonists too which can also attack power of 2!)
                                u can download my multiworld earth history scenario soon.

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