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    Civ 4 (If Civ 3 works out)

    Civ 3 looks like it could be a great game, it is easy to be built on for example if Civ 3 will be a great game, this should be the stuff that is worked on in Civ 4:

    - Creating a single culture for each civilization
    - Creating more civ-specific units, wonders & improvments
    - Creating the same quality advisers in movie clips (with several advisers for each civilization)
    - Developing the resource & trade system
    - Possibly including full screen wonder movies
    Alex
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    - Creating a single culture for each civilization
    What do you mean by this?

    - Creating more civ-specific units, wonders & improvments
    First we need to find out how good the civ-specific untis will be in Civ3. Adding too many wonders and improvements could unbalance the game.

    - Creating the same quality advisers in movie clips (with several advisers for each civilization)
    Again what do you mean by this?

    - Developing the resource & trade system
    Agreed. A system to where the Civ2 model and the Civ3 model could be intertwined. I like how the Civ3 model is going to be but I still feel that the Civ2 model had some benefits, which should be included in Civ3.

    - Possibly including full screen wonder movies
    Doesn't really make a difference. I hate looking at the wonder movies after seeing them a couple of times anyways.

    I'm not sure how good the Civ3 diplomacy model will be but however good it is I would like the Civ4 model to be even better.

    An enhanced combat model. Ways to make wars more interesting and strategic. A great diplomacy could really help out this model.

    A marvelous MP.

    Of course a great AI. Something that will let you have a more challenging game against other civs while enabling you to do less of the tedious work (i.e. tile management (I still do not like the public works system)).
    However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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    • #3
      What do you mean by this?
      I mean that every civilization should have its own city style and stuf like that.

      First we need to find out how good the civ-specific untis will be in Civ3. Adding too many wonders and improvements could unbalance the game.
      Yeah i concur.

      Again what do you mean by this?
      Wouldnt it be good if every civilzation had its very own advisors?

      Doesn't really make a difference. I hate looking at the wonder movies after seeing them a couple of times anyways.
      Yeah, but still, i like movies clips, they give the game a good atmospheare.

      I reckon movie clips in the diplomacy would be awsome! All computer rendered though...
      Alex

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      • #4
        Yeah, all your features would add a nice aspect to the game. It would give the game a little more flavor.

        Another thing I would like to have is a lot of statistics on all the civs (i.e. demographics) that are very extensive.
        However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TechWins
          Another thing I would like to have is a lot of statistics on all the civs (i.e. demographics) that are very extensive.
          Yeah, like in SimCity 2000! They had statistics for everything, even pigeon droppings on your statue
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          • #6
            Yeah, but Civ 3 will proberly have good demographics, like top five cities and stuff. However i would like to see better ones than in Civ 2, maybee things like top 5 military units.
            Alex

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            • #7
              Personally I hope Firaxis will skip any Civ x after Civ III.

              I hope they'll support Civ III and expand it for at least a year, with downloadable added units, mods, maps, leaders (civilization), not to mentioning enough patch to crush any relevant bug.

              I know people are happy with the fans and enthusiast level add-on, but I still mentioned that a great game need a great professional support. It's enough tha Firaxis put a couple of designer to bring best fans add-on and enhance them to a professional level. I.e. I understand many people can build a great custom civilization, but probably lack graphics expertize and tools to model 3D leader and unique units animation. Any help by Firaxis can keep the game (and its selling) fresh and alive for a year with a very limited effort and cost (better than any advertising).

              That said, we can't squeeze forever the same orange
              It's time to pass to innovative concepts and a new mix of ideas to resurrect TBS genre (may be by Simultaneous Turn Execution: should we call it an SBS, then? ).
              That's debated for long here at Apolyton, so I assume that a relevant number of fans feel disturbed if anyone will change the game main body keeping the same name.

              So let the glorious Civilization end with third version. We still know that a civ game will smell the same perfume, whatever the name you call it.

              Added pray: Shakespeare, forgive me.
              "We are reducing all the complexity of billions of people over 6000 years into a Civ box. Let me say: That's not only a PkZip effort....it's a real 'picture to Jpeg heavy loss in translation' kind of thing."
               - Admiral Naismith

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              • #8
                Yep, Naismith, you are right. Civ is that kind of game we can play for years. There's no need to hurry. About new concepts - no changes with turns, no changes, no changes and again no changes.

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                • #9
                  more meaningful Demogs would be good, perhaps active links in the demog window to take you to Civlopedia to explain how best to improve certain Demogs and how the game calculates it.. Like how is Disease calculated ???
                  GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                  • #10
                    Yes, we need good support for civ 3, there will be 6-7 years between civ II and civ |III, and there was 5-6 years between civ I and civ II so we couold expect civ IIII by year 2010 .

                    There fore it seems better to focus on march 2002
                    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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                    • #11
                      Yeah, sure, I have nothing against a later date.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Adm.Naismith
                        Personally I hope Firaxis will skip any Civ x after Civ III.
                        [.....]
                        So let the glorious Civilization end with third version. We still know that a civ game will smell the same perfume, whatever the name you call it.

                        Added pray: Shakespeare, forgive me.
                        What?

                        I think the concept of civ will never stop being atractive! Being able to stand in the shoes of historical leaders feels so good that no other game can compete with that!

                        I have tried games like C&C but I get bored after a while.

                        With Civ I never get bored! So as far as I'm concerned civ IV etcetera is always welcome!
                        Member of Official Apolyton Realistic Civers Club.
                        If you can't solve it, it's not a problem--it's reality
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                        • #13
                          To be fair, the game does need an update from time to time to account for new technology and improvements. The intervals seem very good so far; initially it was a DOS game, but civ2 took advantage of the streamlined windows interface and ease of use to make the game a lot easier. Now civ3 can take advantage of powerful modern computers which are capable of producing impressive graphics and significant numbercrunching. Even if not a radical overhaul of the game (which is a bad thing, it should be added to without detracting from it) it need updating every once in a while and showing it is still up there with the times.

                          And now Firaxis do have a bit of time to 'play around' with civ4 and experiment until they feel compelled to really start production proper. Perhaps test out hex tiles and various other ambitious challenges...
                          Speaking of Erith:

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                          • #14
                            I'm for Civ 4, Civ 5,... but- no hurry. Imagine CIV 2002, CIV 2003, CIV 2004,...

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                            • #15
                              as time passes and computers get better, the game needs to evolve, there are things that our modern PIV computers can do now that civ 1 devopers couldnt dream off,... perhaps civ 10 will bring in Virtual Reality, you get to attend the Diplomatic sessions with your sexy Foriegn Advisor !!!!!
                              GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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