re: new screenshots, "Make more culture"

[Zanzin]

There is two things very wrong with this statement by the cultural advisor in the screenshot.

i) Firaxis said the advisors would be intelligent and provide information that was actually useful. Does anyone else get the feeling that the statement "Make more culture" isn't exactly useful or intelligent.

ii) In the spirit of the whole empire thing....is culture something you can just make? Like in a factory? The statement from the advisor makes me feel as if I can just order x units of culture to expand my influence. Now I know in the game that, yes, culture does have to be built in the form of libraries and temples and what not....but do they have to be quite so blunt about it? "Make more culture" just feels so heartless and pathetic.
Culture is concept about how enlightened and great ones civilization is....i.e. number of libraries and temples and universities will add to the culture. But to represent the culture in terms of numbers.....culture isn't a tangible thing you can just build - not in real life anyway.

I'd like to see not numbers for how much culture you have, but rather a scale from "Our civilization has little in the way of culture" through to "We are the most enlightened and art deco loving civilization on the planet."

Also from the advisor, instead of "Make more culture", could we have something a bit more refined like "Our civilizations culture would benifit by the construction of more temples sir".

Ofcourse, what we're seeing may just be "placeholders"....but we thought the original graphics were just placeholders as well - how wrong we were.

[ancient]

i will agree with you on this...

i thought she looks very stupid and saying "Make more Clture" isnt helpfull at all...

what is art? is it some thing that you can build?
or is it something that occurs when your city has a high culture and it increases you culture more? or is it a unit, that cant attack but can be destroyed.. (and cant move)

[ContradictioN]

Wow, it says that? That's disgusting, it's stuff like this that killed CTP.

Art is definetly culture. It's the entire blueprints of culture, so I understand why art is in there. But what effect it has I don't know, I'm hoping it will define the look of your cities, etc.


Firaxis: Look, you're just going to end up producing another Activision game. If I was you right now, I would stop what you're doing, take a step back, and look at it again. Listen to us, we're the players, we're the ones who are going to decide if its worth playing or not. If it doesn't please us, then you're not going to get far either.


I'm sure we all understand that you want to make the game fun, and thats great, but making it childish is not our type of fun. We don't watch Barney and Tellietubbies for fun.

[Alex 14]

This better be a test picture. It's not a major crisis, because we can edit the text files, but still i would like to know what Firaxis are thinking.

[Inverse Icarus]

art is the "uneeded but often helpful" technologies.

like, to advance out of ancient times you do not need literacy, but it allows the great library.

and yes, that advisor was moronic.

[JamesJKirk]

Cmon, it's obviously just a placeholder, as is most of the text we see? I also hope none of you thought that "Cinnamon" and "Pepper" were really going to appear as American cities

[tniem]

Or what if Make more culture was just the summary of what she is going to tell you. Then some where in the box she goes on and says how she thinks you should go about it (i.e. build a temple in Athens, allow Sparta to build the Hanging Gardens, invest more in the arts in Corinth).

But it probably/hopefully is simply place holding text.

[Zanzin]

like I said, lets hope the text is just placeholding at the moment for something better and more indepth.

My biggest gripe though is the culture points. In the screenshot it was 6000 odd. Well, that's great but.....its not!! What, do you walk up to your rival Civilization and say "Guess what, my civs got 7500 culture points!!! We completely rock over your civs measly 3000!!" No, you don't.

What you would do is walk over to the other civ and say "We have the richest culture on Earth due to our extensive chain of Libraries and temples." The other civ would say, "It's true, it's true. We only have 3 temples. How could our people possibly feel enlightened compared to your people?"

[MarkG]

i dont know if you noticed, but there are still using the "people" from civ2

http://www.gamesdomain.com/news/images/civ06.jpg

we've got a loooong way ahead of us

[DrFell]

Yeah, I'd say there's a 99% chance this is just placeholder graphics/text. The programmers main concern is to actually get the code working, not the graphics or text etc, that can be added in later. So I wouldn't start worrying about this yet.

[Nemo]

what got me, is the advisor head ofn the left is not the same as the advisor in th etop right. This could get confusing/fustrating in the beginning of playing, and act as a deturant.

[Solver]

I think you're missing the fact that Civ 3 isn't completed yet. If it was, it would be available for sale now. I really hope they will change the text (and we know they browse Apolyton forums every day .

[Grumbold]

I think the culture concept has got a long way to go before it is completely finished. Both the text and the ability to rank city culture into thousands is jarring. Hopefully once they've decided exactly how it is going to work they can make the concept more presentable

[tniem]

Originally posted by MarkG
i dont know if you noticed, but there are still using the "people" from civ2

http://www.gamesdomain.com/news/images/civ06.jpg

we've got a loooong way ahead of us

Good catch Markos, I hadn't noticed and it certainly reassures me that at least quite a bit of what we are seeing is still just place holder - concept art. Hopefully that means we will see some changes to the map landscape tiles.

[Alex 14]

And i thought they were actually going to use the people from civ 2...