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**yin26** · July 10, 2001, 02:54

3) ...including common courtesy.

I agree! I'm not even talking giving new information but tending to the basic information ANYBODY should resonably expect. You say "monthly updates" but can't keep the schedule? SAY IT! You say "Well, we have TWO projects going on" so you can't update the site often? SAY IT! And don't say it in this thread for goodness sake. Where should you say it?

Hmmm....HOW ABOUT ON THE WEB PAGE ITSELF?! Oh, but I forget, this takes tooooo long. Much better to surf here and make excuses.

If there's something I'VE learned about Firaxis it's that:

1. They have more faith in themselves as gamers than they do in their public. Call it the 'Sid Complex.'
2. They consider the public the beneficiary NOT the source of Firaxis' existence.

**MarkG** · July 10, 2001, 03:02

Originally posted by yin26
Much better to surf here and make excuses.

all civers read apolyton anyway

do you know how many things that take 1 minute are waiting to be done in my to-do list?

**yin26** · July 10, 2001, 03:05

Are those things in your job description or up to your own good will or whim as a hobbyist? Someone forgot to tell the Wizard that this groovy Net job stopped being a hobby when he signed the dotted line. Of course, if his bosses don't care, who am I to argue?

By the way, Markos, there's understanding and then there's bending over to touch your toes...

One more thing: I would bet my LIFE that if you in Dan's situation, you would have updated that site 100 times, at least just to say: "Sorry. We will miss the update this month. We'll try for an even BETTER update next month!" Why and how do I know this? Because I've seen your work ethic in practice many, many times. I might not always agree with what you do with this site, but at least you DO something on a consistent basis. And I'm sure those little things call "Life" and "Work" are demanding some of your time, too, eh?

**yin26** · July 10, 2001, 03:12

Oh, and Markos: Which should take priority in YOUR opinon? 1) Keeping the Civ3 site at least to the barest degree of updated or 2) Setting up Trade War games? Care to venture how many minutes this overly taxed Wizard put toward TW and NOT the Civ 3 site? I'd be interested to hear your rough estimate...

**Guest** · July 10, 2001, 03:13

Yin, you a lawyer?? You make so many good points that are hard to argue with. If I'm in trouble, forget Johnny Cochran, I want Yin on my team!

**MarkG** · July 10, 2001, 03:18

Originally posted by yin26
Are those things in your job description or up to your own good will or whim as a hobbyist?

dont know anymore. some people consider it my duty towards them to continue doing what i do here

Someone forgot to tell the Wizard that this groovy Net job stopped being a hobby when he signed the dotted line. Of course, if his bosses don't care, who am I to argue?

i think it's obvious that he's into other things as well, and that the web site is not the highest priority.

as for his bosses, i highly doubt that they dont care if one of their employess sits all day doing nothing. it's more logical to think that they have given him other things to do as well....

And I'm sure those little things call "Life" and "Work" are demanding some of your time, too, eh?

i'm making this post from work....

**MarkG** · July 10, 2001, 03:21

Originally posted by yin26
Which should take priority in YOUR opinon? 1) Keeping the Civ3 site at least to the barest degree of updated or 2) Setting up Trade War games?

the TW server was down for over 9 days cause Dan didnt have time to check if it's working or not

(btw all our characters were deleted cause we were inactive for seven days and now we're going to have a rebang. want to join?)

**yin26** · July 10, 2001, 03:29

Markos:

LOL! I take it back. He IS consistent! Have you found your own dedicated server? I'll join then. Apolyton Co. has some unfinished business. But joining on the Firaxis server seems like an invitation to...well...nothing, really.

By the way, do you think his bosses ever see the site? Do you think they know about Trade Wars? These are curious questions...

Bigfree:

The MOMENT somebody sues you, you have them post here. Right or wrong, making sense or no, I'll have them pulling their hair out and dropping the suit within days. (...don't quote me on that...)

I considered being a lawyer, but I never met a happy lawyer (besides Johnny, of course).

**Kurgan** · July 10, 2001, 03:30

Originally posted by Kurgan
Does anybody think that the delay could be because they are working in a HUGE update with a lot of mini-tutorials, downloads,etc?

Well, in the end it seems that my wishful thought was not so far from the truth

**MarkG** · July 10, 2001, 03:33

Originally posted by yin26
LOL! I take it back. He IS consistent! Have you found your own dedicated server? I'll join then. Apolyton Co. has some unfinished business. But joining on the Firaxis server seems like an invitation to...well...nothing, really.

actually, it's going to be on the firaxis server again...

By the way, do you think his bosses ever see the site? Do you think they know about Trade Wars? These are curious questions...

i dont know if the "big guys" see their company's site or not....

as for the tw server, i think there was at least one firaxian in the first game.....

**yin26** · July 10, 2001, 03:34

Kurgan: But we've known about that for months. See the quote I pulled from the Webpage. And if that IS the case (not confirmed, by the way), then how about this catchy tag on the CURRENT page: "Sorry for the lack of updates. We are planning to roll-out our full-production site ASAP. I will not put any date on it since we all know dates can get pushed back. The only things I can promise is that I'll clean up this site a bit to remove unkept promises (again, sorry) and when you see the new site, you'll (hopefully) feel it was worth the delay! --Dan"

That took me 45 seconds.

**yin26** · July 10, 2001, 03:36

Markos:

...and who would be running the game this time? Do you enjoy giving yourself pain or something? LOL!

**MarkG** · July 10, 2001, 04:01

Originally posted by yin26
...and who would be running the game this time

Dan will be running the game

but dont worry, we might be able to start the server ourselves if it gets down

see the thread in the tw forum

**Jeje2** · July 10, 2001, 04:06

Well,
apereantly time for www is limited due to other workduties.
So IMHO important question is which duties?
Does the new Civ-site require all the time? - I'd say no.

So why?
Does this has anything to do with the earlier estimate of Civ3 relelase in Q3/2001?
One good indication could be beta-testers, do they exist already?
I'll repeat my pray here - Please do not release Civ3 in 2001, PLEASE!!!

When was the offcial SMAC site opened? IIRC about 4-6 months before intended release date (early autum - it was then prolonged over new year).

And yes, they have negleted their www-site. (And sadly they could have corrected it with just a couple changes.)

**MarkG** · July 10, 2001, 04:11

hey if you had a copy of civ3 would you update the site or would play??? hypocrites!!!

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