Skii Troops should be replaced with another elite unit in Civ III

[Alexander's Horse]

You can't use skii troops in the tropics!!

What is your preference? Your suggestion?

[KrazyHorse]

Just don't give the damn ski troops (or the paratroopers) those stupid yellow uniforms.

[Alexander's Horse]

They looks like radiation cleaners

Damn right. God they look bad.

But skii troops should be replaced. They are only used by a handful of countries.

I kind of like the idea of regular or guard units. Special forces could work but they shouldn't make up the bulk of your army.

[Urban Ranger]

Isn't that's why there are mechanised infantry and riflemen?

[Juggernaut]

and what about the elephants being able to move on ice? "it´s unrealistic, remove them!!!!"

civ aint supposed to be truely realistic, then they couldn´t even make musketeers, they would have to make neutral, boryng units that could apply on every civ and terrain.

civ is all about reflecting some of the greatest era´s in human history

[TechWins]

AH, you can't have a poll with women in it. No matter how good the other choice is women will always win the poll. I had to vote for women because who can resist them?

[Alexander's Horse]

Skii Troops?

Originally posted by uncle_funk

civ is all about reflecting some of the greatest era´s in human history

I'd hardly call skii troops symbolic of a great era. They have only figured famously in 2 battles that I recall - the Russo Finnish war of 1939 and the Russian winter offensive of 1941/2. Their impact in the latter case is overrated.

[Juggernaut]

i think they´re cute anyway. for ME, they represent WWII in an excellent way. besides, iv´e never commanded them on jungle. aint they supposed to defend or something?

there´s much worse things with civ II, like the fact that the Vikings may spawn in australia if you have respawn civ on. i just hate such stuff, i want a respawn, but in a historically accurate area.

[Provost Harrison]

Yeah, I did find the alpine troops a little silly, especially when you see them defending an AI city in the middle of a desert or something. I mean, what precisely are they skiing on? Get rid IMHO.

[Deathwalker]

Damm straight I hated them, they looked ugly had to much power for sky troopers. They should not be included in there current form or made a special unit like parratroops or marines.

[Adm.Naismith]

Re: Skii Troops?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
They have only figured famously in 2 battles that I recall - the Russo Finnish war of 1939 and the Russian winter offensive of 1941/2. Their impact in the latter case is overrated.

Not exactly, Alexander's.
During WW I alpine troops played a relevant role on Alpi Mountains, border between Italian and Austria/German troops. They fought very bloody battle and lot of skirmish, hidden in trenches and galleries digged in snow and rocks. A page of history I understand lot of people don't have a hint.

During WWII Italian Alpine troops played a part as "special troops", fighting in Greeks (and almost loosing against the good greeks troops, if not for german help), in USSR campaign, probably loosing the greatest number of italian soldiers as missed in action during the winter battle and the retry. They fighted with honour, but where lost for insufficient logistic and old weapons.
Wonder what: Italian alpine troops fighted in North Africa campaign too!
Desert don't seems full of mountain, I agree, but...
Italian Alpine troops where always considered as "veteran troops", not special forces as SAS or Navy Seal, of course, but better trained and organized that standard italian infantry.

OTOH, I agree that a more generic name can be used by Firaxis, but they aren't very different (in concept) from marines: they started as units for special purpose (embarked infantry/mountain trained troops), then their dedicated training and organization changed them as "all purpose" troops, only better.

USA used marines everywhere, don't they?

[Adagio]

Hmmm...Naked women, is they some special units which can make the soldiers only look in the direction to the girls

[Alexander's Horse]

Re: Re: Skii Troops?

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


Not exactly, Alexander's.
During WW I alpine troops played a relevant role on Alpi Mountains, border between Italian and Austria/German troops. They fought very bloody battle and lot of skirmish, hidden in trenches and galleries digged in snow and rocks. A page of history I understand lot of people don't have a hint.

During WWII Italian Alpine troops played a part as "special troops", fighting in Greeks (and almost loosing against the good greeks troops, if not for german help), in USSR campaign, probably loosing the greatest number of italian soldiers as missed in action during the winter battle and the retry. They fighted with honour, but where lost for insufficient logistic and old weapons.
Wonder what: Italian alpine troops fighted in North Africa campaign too!
Desert don't seems full of mountain, I agree, but...
Italian Alpine troops where always considered as "veteran troops", not special forces as SAS or Navy Seal, of course, but better trained and organized that standard italian infantry.

OTOH, I agree that a more generic name can be used by Firaxis, but they aren't very different (in concept) from marines: they started as units for special purpose (embarked infantry/mountain trained troops), then their dedicated training and organization changed them as "all purpose" troops, only better.

USA used marines everywhere, don't they?

Oh yes well Italian Alpine troops - that really wins the argument

[Earwicker]

Whatever they're called (and whatever hot-pink uniform they're given), they'd be better with more than one move point. Sure, they can move through mountains but it doesn't help when they arrive at their target and can't attack without penalty. At the risk of making them too powerful, of course. Two moves might be too much - is it possible to have a unit with 1-1/3 or 1-2/3 as its base movement?

[Adm.Naismith]

Sure, alpine troops?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Oh yes well Italian Alpine troops - that really wins the argument

Sure, why not? And German/Austria alpine troops, too.

Do you think only USA troops fighted during two world wars?

Italians troops under fascism lost the WWII war, mostly against USSR troops on East front. That's history. German and Japanese troops lost, too.

Do you suppose their soldiers haven't good military tradition and a place to fill in history and Civ?

Most of special infantry corps fits somewhere in military history: maybe you don't know (or don't like) when and why.

Ok, if I'll have some spare time I'll give you some figures about alpine troops... but may be you don't care
Please, feel free to let me know.