Ancient Times in Civilization

[Rhuarc]

I don't think there is any real way to fix this. I mean during the dawn of civilization peole did not instantly start out with a city that was producing large quantities of information and materials. It took time for them to build up, just as in the game. I know that it makes for a slow ancient period, but perhaps it would make it better if the turns were to be shortened from 20 to 15 or 10 years. This would allow the realism to remain while giving you more time in the Ancient era. This would make the game longer, unless you wanted to reduce the number of turns that existed in the Middle ages and the periods that exist in the middle of the game. Just some food for thought!

[Grumbold]

There were (precluding religious assertions to the contrary) significant ancient civilisations long into the past and people want to recreate that feeling. Still, if you did not like the idea of big cities at the start then beginning with 4 settlers would still shorten the early empty turn syndrome a bit.

[KrazyHorse]

Re: Re: Re: Ancient Times in Civilization

Originally posted by Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto
I am not an evolutionist, I am christian

It's interesting that this "Diablo" fellow is Christian. It's also interesting that his profile states that he "like to kill heros" and that his occupation is that of "Assasin". I find it very hard to take 13 year-olds with bad spelling skills, whacko religious beliefs and an unhealthy appetite for Diablo II very seriously. I also doubt that he actually lives in Salt Lake City. Also, if every Christian took everything written in the Bible as literal truth, then why does the shrimp industry fare as well as it does?

Leviticus11:10 "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas and in the rivers...they shall be an abomination unto you".

Have you ever eaten lobster? Or mussels, or oysters? Do you believe the Sun rotates around the Earth? The book of Joshua is very clear on that point. Evolutionism is a scientific view. Christianity is a religious view. There need not be any conflict between them, except when people like you choose to interpret everything as direct, factual statements. When the Bible records Jesus telling parables, do you believe that the events which he recounts actually took place? That there was a prodigal son, and that Jesus just happened to be there to record his actions?

[Theben]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Ancient Times in Civilization

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


It's interesting that this "Diablo" fellow is Christian...

etc...

Let it go, KH...I think this is an important topic and don't want to see it closed 'cuz it went off-topic.

Plus you may wish to note that all he really said was that it's a fact humans have been around for 6000 years...I think we all can agree on that.

I'd be all for a 'fast start' option where your two starting settlers will create size 4 cities already containing temple, market place, granary and 1 pikeman. That cuts 60+ turns of tedium out of the beginning of the game right there even if you still have to research the techs to build those buildings and units anywhere else.

I second this motion. I know there's an "accelerated startup" option in civ2 but again I'd like to be able to place my own cities, and not have my capital settled on a glacier tile...

[KrazyHorse]

I don't really see the importance of accelerated startup. No matter how good they make the AI, I'll never trust it to make any important decisions for me. Also, I find the beginning of the game goes rather fast. It is, as some say, a lot of clicking, but I can get through the first 2000 years in less than an hour, given the small amount of units at my disposal. Besides this, the first 30-40 turns are, for me, absolutely overwhelmingly vital for my future success. If you don't want to play a game from beginning to end, there are numerous scenarios out there.

[Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto]

Krazyhorse,

as for your comment, I think you need to stop with the criticism. In every post you do, you always critisize someone.I used to put my oppinion across very harshly, as you do now, and in do time, you will learn what I did, that once people see that you only like to be rude, they wont listen to you anymore. Luckily that is in my past now. I just want to warn you.

Why do you not believe I live in Salt Lake?

if my spelling is so bad, then please correct it for me.seriously, point out every in-correct spelling.

As for my profile, I am not thirteen, and I put "assasin" and "likes to kill heros" as a joke.

as for my name, I like the game diablo, and also my name was the first one that popped into my mind. Just because I am christian, does not mean I cant play games that mean "devil".

also, a quck question, where do you live?

and one last thing, never never never call my religion crazy. that is one of the fastest ways of getting enemies, and that is one of the lowest 'put-downs' I have ever seen.


Now, enough with off-topic, lets get back to the subject at hand.

[KrazyHorse]

Sorry, everyone else, but this is my last post on the subject. Heroes. Assassin.

Edit: Just noticed this. Diablo, I live on Cote-Des-Neiges, just down the hill from the Montreal General Hospital. The reason I claimed that you probably do not live in Salt Lake City is the adolescent nature of your writing style. Given this, and given your earlier provocative statements, I think that you are possibly pretending to live in Salt Lake City in order to legitimize your claim to being a biblical literalist. I think that any belief system which has the pretension to dictate physical facts without physical evidence is nuts, and will continue to say so. Hence the belief (widespread until the 17th century, at least) that men have one rib fewer than women, since God created Eve from Adam's rib. Count them for yourself.

[Grim Leaper]

.........And relax.


Now back to the plot

I agree, that nothing much happened in the ancient age of civ2, but i doubt that will still be the case in civ3. There will much more you have to take care of, like the new resources and trade will affect the early game a lot as well. The list may not be endless but is centainly a lot longer than in civ2.

I did try the accelerated start mode on civ2 once or twice and remember, (wasn't there one for SMAC as well? or am just confused - there was an option with 'accerated' in it). It wasn't very useful, you didn't miss much of the ancient time anyway, and you could trust the ai to really mess up the games for you.

[MarkG]

closed upon request of the thread starter