Problem with redundancy

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Dain


No, the mystical answer to everything is not edit it because modifying the game in any way makes it pointless to compare your progress with previous attempts and with other players.

Oh, yes it is. Who said anything about comparing attempts? I just do this to relax.

It is strategy game and you need to adjust your style of play to whatever are the rules for competitive play, not just change them because they annoy you.

You are correct -- it is a strategy game, not something worth raising my blood pressure over.

I hope they read suggestions like this and when looking to make improvements for future expansions or versions then they can incorporate the good ideas which make sense and are not too hard to code in as features.

So it's all right to scramble everything around, as long as it's official? How do you feel about our resident modding communtiy?

To me Civ is not Doom, making my own mods of the game might be okay for my own ammusement, but for competitive games its just standard rules. If you become dependant on mods you will enjoy competitive games even less and will be more accustom to unofficial modifications.

I see. What if you have no interest in competition?

Once you have played Civ for a while its only real attraction is to see how much you improve from one game to the next or how you compete against other players. Most people I play with refuse to play with any modifications to the game.

I've been playing Civ, etc., since 1999, and for me, one of the principle enjoyments is seeing how different I make each game, both by altering my playstyle and by modding the game. I haven't gotten bored yet.

Hell, they even refuse to play with the beta patches. If its not official then its not allowed. No matter what modifications you make to the game, you can't fix the AI's lack of intelligence so being isolated from competitive games is not a real solution for me.

To each their own, I suppose...

[Dain]

Yeah, for people who are not into competion playing then making whatever adjustments you like is fine. I have played with the editor a little but its more out of ammusement than anything else.

I guess I don't find Civ all that entertaining outside of competition play because it lacks alot of depth for a strategy game, that and the AI is really inept even in Sid mode.

If you can come to terms with an opposition that just likes to zerg you then you shouldn't have any real difficulty with the game in any difficulty mode.

I just can't really take it too seriously outside of player based games, other players make mistakes, but they usually have the intelligence to have a goal or a point in what they are doing and you can play with 'intelligent' opponents who do not need to play under a different set of rules or an outrageous head start to pass off as competitive.

Tiny map civ games with just players are alot of fun. Sometimes they can be over quite quickly, but they can be a real laugh. Eight human player multiplayer games are also alot of fun. When you are used to playing without or limited AI you quickly find out how dull and boring normal games are.

[MrWhereItsAt]

I was going to point out the value of using the editor to mod your game a little to make it how YOU see it best working, else the editor would not have been included, but I certainly agree for the purposes of comparison every player needs to be on the same ground wrt the rules.

Originally posted by Dain

If you can come to terms with an opposition that just likes to zerg you then you shouldn't have any real difficulty with the game in any difficulty mode.

StarCraft player!

And Theseus - some combination of our ideas perhaps? With some techs comes a lower chance of some resources disappearing AND new appearances of the old resources?

[Dain]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
I was going to point out the value of using the editor to mod your game a little to make it how YOU see it best working, else the editor would not have been included, but I certainly agree for the purposes of comparison every player needs to be on the same ground wrt the rules.



StarCraft player!

And Theseus - some combination of our ideas perhaps? With some techs comes a lower chance of some resources disappearing AND new appearances of the old resources?

Oh, I agree. I have seen some fantastic mods out there, but the most important thing you can't change is the poor AI so you end up peeing into the wind when it comes to making mods. AI will contine to make bad decisions no matter what you tweak.

Hehehe, for its time StarCraft was awesome, well, for a 'little man' game.

Yeah, my idea is more for future versions, not all that worried about making the present game any better. More in-depth is good in my opinion.