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    AI: I'll die before I give you any techs!

    Has anyone else noticed this?

    I'm playing an Emporer game. Japan, 8 other civs, mostly standard everything else.

    I'm way behind in techs. I wait a few turns until I can build Samuai. As soon as I get a few Samurai, I amass them to attack Byzantium, I notice that they now have Riflemen defending their cities. OK, It'll just take even more Samurai--which I'll be able to churn-out due to my impending GA.

    I attack their cities and (eventually) wear-down their Cavalry and Riflemen w/ my Samurai. I call upon the Aztecs to attack them from the other side to keep them busy. I take their cities closest to me except their capital which I surround w/ my Samurai (to keep the Aztecs from taking it).

    I check the diplomacy and they are willing to give Peace for several techs, but not quite all that I can learn. Besides, if I get Peace now, I'll take a rep hit w/ the Aztecs. I can afford to wait it out so I go a few more turns, then peacefully cancel my Aztec alliance. I check the Diplo screen again and, What's This?!?!?! The Byzantines won't even accept an even-up Peace Treaty.

    I remain surrounding their last city and bring in my Trebuchets to bombard them a little and take some defenders w/ my Samurai, plus, by my troops occupying all the workable land around Byzantium, they are slowly starving (and losing pop due to drafting Riflemen). A couple turns later, they STILL don't want Peace. Just out of curriosity, I ask Theodora what she would take for Peace and she wants one of her cities back. It doesn't look like she's in a possition to bargain. Frustrated, I let her keep her 'precious techs' and just wipe her out. Hopefully she can eternally rest in peace knowing that her secrets died with her (until I learn or buy them from someone else).

    Has anyone else seen this. It seems that the AI would rather become extinct than to give me some techs--even dead-end, no longer useful because somebody else done built the associated Wonder ones.

    What's up with this?!?!

    Steven
    "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.
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  • #2
    Not to that extent, but I like it. There is no real point for them to go on, so why help you out?

    At the earlier point they still had a strong capitol.

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    • #3
      nope at the earlier point you had an alliance with the aztecks and those things do affect the peace resolution, since when you are allied it consider you both as one while when you are not allied as two or something like that, it happens to me all the time.

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      • #4
        I've seen this too. It seems to me that the closer they are to extinction the less likely they are to bargain. Sometimes I get better deals if I take 1 or 2 cities and wittle down their armies rather than taking over their empire.

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        • #5
          the ai can be very fatalistic. i've noticed that in my late game blitzkriegs (where my enemies aspire to last as long as poland in 39...) the ai simply will not talk to me. ever. thier empire can be cut in half every turn, and i may have no real desire to exteriminate them, but they simply will not talk to me.
          it's just my opinion. can you dig it?

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          • #6
            Status quo then

            In my current game, me being china on regent level, having the strongest army, but being behind tech wise a bit. Persia was below me and The US & korea on the other continent.

            Me and Persia had a nice war going <- and of course i was kicking its ass . But then suddenly the US signs a mutual protection pact with persia. Fearing the US & their units, cause they are ahead tech wise a bit, i decide to go on the defensive and only attack units that are within my territory or on international waters.

            Well, the problem with that was, persia stopped attacking me and only fortified some units next to mine on the border. Occasionally it sent over some infantry but i quickly took it out (did some leader farming ). We remained in that state for 20 turns. Persia wouldn't even talk to me to negotiate a peace deal. And when i did get a hold of him once, HE demanded something from me. Ah well, after 20 turns when the MP ran out, i took one of his cities and then made peace with him, gaining some tech


            I must say that was a real cool experience. Kinda like real life South & North Korea.

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            • #7
              Re: AI: I'll die before I give you any techs!

              Originally posted by steven8r

              Has anyone else seen this. It seems that the AI would rather become extinct than to give me some techs--even dead-end, no longer useful because somebody else done built the associated Wonder ones.

              What's up with this?!?!
              Why does this surprise you? The AI isn't obligated to help you and will do all in its power to make your life difficult even if its down to one city, or a settler on a boat somewhere.
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              • #8
                The reason that it surprises me is that just a few turns before, she was willing to give me peace PLUS several techs, then all of a sudden, she wouldn't even consider a peace treaty. Why, when she was weaker, should she be less willing to deal???

                I guess that's why AI's frequently become extinct.

                Steven
                "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.

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                • #9
                  IIRC, AIs take into account the fact that they are fighting multiple guys when they're negotiating peace. See what reallying the Aztecs does, and ask her again.
                  meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                  • #10
                    Is it strange that alot of the problem threads I'm reading begin with "I'm playing an emperor game..."?
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                    • #11
                      Good one Vince!

                      That may very well be my problem.

                      Steven
                      "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.

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                      • #12
                        I should also say I'm not implying people can't handle Emperor level, it just seems alot of odd things are happening at that level.
                        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                        • #13
                          Not really. Most of the best C3C efforts currently begin there, and those folks are the most demanding

                          In any case - I'll just kill the AI. OR - -THIS- is the time to make them a client state

                          Hadn't thought of that..."I like encouraging people to use their heads, whether they like it or not." - you lot just did
                          It's all my territory really, they just squat on it...!
                          She didn't declare war on me, she's just playing 'hard to get'...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cerbykins
                            Hadn't thought of that..."I like encouraging people to use their heads, whether they like it or not." - you lot just did
                            Looks like I won yet another convert.
                            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                            • #15
                              As long as the ai civ thinks it has a chance of winning the game it will do whatever it takes to get peace. Especially if it means a rep hit for you, after all the goal of the ai is to wear you down and hurt you in any way possible.

                              But when the point of no return has been crossed they will do everything in their power to prevent you from gaining any more from them besides their remaining cities. Sort of a scorched tech policy! Remember, the name of the game for the ai is to deny the human player victory. Remember that and strange ai behaviour won't seem so strange anymore.
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