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I just started playing the game recently, such as the past couple weeks... I started out oblivious like I always do and played a few games on simple mode to get a better understanding of the game. I moved on for a couple games in Monarch and had no problems. And the game is much more war oriented than Civ2 so it's been a big change with the AI. I jump right to Deity so I can get a real grasp on the game but after a lot of games I still fail to accomplish anything. I get out wondered, out built, out teched, out armed, outright pwned. After reading the forums the last couple days and learning to out tech the AI is impossible on harder levels of play my strategy is early peaceful expansion and try to build up my units when all my territory is filled. But eventually I fall so far behind it's impossible to catch up. I am too stubborn to move from Deity to Emperor (I guess it's just because I was so easily able to crush the AI on Deity with Civ2) but in anycase for you experienced players what would you suggest I do. Does anyone really play Deity? Oh, by the way I'm using 1.21f if that helps anything.
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The AI cheats on higher levels.Try my Lord of the Rings MAP out: Lands of Middle Earth v2 NEWS: Now It's a flat map, optimized for Conquests
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Skuzzy:
Yeah, you're right. Civ3 is far harder at Deity than Civ2 was, but it is still beatable...and not just on that perfect game with the perfect starting position.
There are a lot of good articles out there; Theseus' link is a great place to start.
I, myself, lean towards the builder approach and love the challenge of Civ3, but I also play warmonger, too.
My best advice would be to forget everything you learned about Civ2 and start fresh. And...don't be afraid to back off Deity for a game or two. Even Emperor is quite the challenge.
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There is no shame in playing at less than Diety (or the new upcoming Sid Level).Seemingly Benign
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Yes, forget CivII is was just too easy to beat.
You must expand much faster in CivIII to have enough land of different types to have a shot at all of the resources you need and luxs.
The AI does not cheat, it has some handicaps. Namely it starts with 12 extra units an extra settler and other types at Deity. It gets a break on free maint for units as well. It also as a build in trade aid.
The AI is the same for Monarch as it is for the other levels above as far as how it plays. The AI knows the make up of the land from the start and where resources will appear, this is true at all levels.
You will not be able to drop a strong unit in a city and hold off all comers in CivIII, unlike CivII. This has lots of factors, but two are that in a stack only the top unit is lost in a battle, instead of the whole stack. The other is the walls are not so strong and in fact do nothing in large cities (depending on patch level).
Peaceful wins are possible, but no reason to go that route, you can war and build and go back and forth.
You must trade and make contacts, you must get your share of land and you need to have enough troop strength to keep the AI from bullying you.Comment
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Not only no shame, deity is not even fun IMO. It is too much work most of the time.Originally posted by WarpStorm
There is no shame in playing at less than Diety (or the new upcoming Sid Level).Comment
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Thanks everyone and especially Theseus for taking the time to archive all of that junk -.- Anyways I suppose some sort of token for your generousity can be I pwn the AI on Emperor? Hehe, anyways thanks again
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You must be a natural at Civ. I have had the game since Christmas of 2001 and I am only on Regent, and I have a hard time keeping up with the computeon tech even when I am a very large nation."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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Well, I consider this cheating too.Originally posted by vmxa1
The AI does not cheat, it has some handicaps. Namely it starts with 12 extra units an extra settler and other types at Deity. It gets a break on free maint for units as well. It also as a build in trade aid.
The AI is the same for Monarch as it is for the other levels above as far as how it plays. The AI knows the make up of the land from the start and where resources will appear, this is true at all levels.Try my Lord of the Rings MAP out: Lands of Middle Earth v2 NEWS: Now It's a flat map, optimized for Conquests
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was civ3 your first civ-style game?Originally posted by johncmcleod
You must be a natural at Civ. I have had the game since Christmas of 2001 and I am only on Regent, and I have a hard time keeping up with the computeon tech even when I am a very large nation.You saw what you wanted
You took what you saw
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civ3 is much harder than civ2.... infact civ2 strategies don't work too well in civ3... which is why its rather nice...Without music life would be a mistake - Nietzsche
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Before civ3 the only strategy games I had played were a few RTS. The only TBS game I had ever played was Panzer General 2. I am also young for a civ player."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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Hagbart, you can do that, but it is not proper to call it cheating. Cheating is when you do something that is not part of the set of rules layed down at the start of the event.
These are called spots or handicaps. Players at Deity are saying were are good enough to beat the AI, so we will give it a spot to make it fair. The spots are documented.Comment
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So does that mean that at the games at carnivals the carnies aren't cheating when they rig the games? You have to watch out for them carnies. They're clever folk.Hagbart, you can do that, but it is not proper to call it cheating. Cheating is when you do something that is not part of the set of rules layed down at the start of the event.
These are called spots or handicaps. Players at Deity are saying were are good enough to beat the AI, so we will give it a spot to make it fair. The spots are documented."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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