What traits should China have?

[johncmcleod]

The China that deserves to be in the game is ncient China. But the China they have in the game is modern China, whose leader is Mao, who are industrious and have a big military. But modern China doesn't deserve to be in the game, they're not powerful or influential to be in civ. But ancient China definitely is. They would be scientific and maybe religious. The problem with this is it seems there are too many religious civs. What do you think China's traits should be?

[Sheik]

But modern China doesn't deserve to be in the game, they're not powerful or influential to be in civ

you're kidding right? They have a growing economy and the fact that they are communist still makes people uneasy. They are also the most populous country on Earth. More people are Chinese then anything else.

However, as for ancient china Scientific would be a must.

[vmxa1]

The name should have been some other one, not Mao. However the name is not all that important.
Anyway reality is not part of the game. Any resemblance to reality is coincidental.
If you try to pick them apart it could go on forever.
They needed some civs and they came up with some. What difference does it make which ones and how they are structured?

[Vince278]

Could replace Mao with their first Emperor.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by vmxa1
The name should have been some other one, not Mao. However the name is not all that important.
Anyway reality is not part of the game. Any resemblance to reality is coincidental.
If you try to pick them apart it could go on forever.
They needed some civs and they came up with some. What difference does it make which ones and how they are structured?

[PLATO]

Ancient China was so many different things that it would be hard to pick just two. They were industrious, religious, militaristic, scientific and even expansionist at points. The traits selected are as good as any IMHO.

[Lord_Davinator]

I believe the indians are now on top of the fertility tree... and have a higher population than china... could replace mao but with who? confusious?

[PeaSoup]

Originally posted by Lord_Davinator
I believe the indians are now on top of the fertility tree... and have a higher population than china... could replace mao but with who? confusious?

close but not yet

http://www.worldwatch.org/alerts/990813.html

Each year India is adding 18 million people, roughly another Australia. By 2050, U.N. demographers project that it will have added another 530 million people for a total of more than 1.5 billion. If India continues on the demographic path as projected, it will overtake China by 2045, becoming the world's most populous country. Well before hitting the one billion mark, the demands of India's population were outrunning its natural resource base. This can be seen in its shrinking forests, deteriorating rangelands, and falling water tables. For Americans to understand the pressure of population on resources in India, it would be necessary to squeeze the entire U.S. population east of the Mississippi River and then multiply it by four.

[The Mad Monk]

For Americans to understand the pressure of population on resources in India, it would be necessary to squeeze the entire U.S. population east of the Mississippi River and then multiply it by four.

It's a good thing we didn't stop at the Mississippi, then.

[History Guy]

I change him to Qin Shihuangdi whenever I play China.

[Spiffor]

I think China should definitely be agricultural. Chinese efficient farming aalways sustained a very, very large population, and the relationship to food seems very important in the Chinese culture (from my limited perpective).

I'd have no problems seeing China as industrious as a second trait, but I think the agricultural-industrious combo would fit the Egyptians better. That's why I think the Chinese should end up being agricultural-scientific.

Militaristic definitely doesn't match the Chinese (as well as their current UU). It was bundled with China for two bad reasons :
- the fact that the Mongols weren't first included in the game (China included Mongolia, and its agressive traits)
- the fact there is a growing perception in the western public of today's China as a somewhat aggressive future rival.

I hope they'll drop the militaristic trait for China, and give the Rider UU to the Mongols. The Chinese deserve something like the Chu-ko-nu, or some cheap industrial infantry.

[PLATO]

Spiffor, I disagree that China is not historically militaristic. Just because their militarism was not turned outward does not change the fact that they had a militaristic culture. For most of its history China was ruled by various warloards that fought endlessly for domination of one another. Strong emperors kept them under control and demanded loyalty, whereas weak ones would let the situation dissolve in to total war. Mao was the first one to completely change this cycle and he did it in a very militaristic (i.e. bloody) way. Heavy militarism is a large part of China.

Now that being said, is that one of the big Chinese contributions to the world? Probably not. I think that agricultural-industrious or agricultural-scientific are the best choices, but not for the reasons you outlined. It is rather for their contribution to world culture and for that their militarism did nothing.

[Insigna]

China should definitely be scientific especialy for Ancient China which was comparitvly more important in the world than modern China.

[Arrian]

I always thought that China should have been scientific (with the new traits, agricultural/scientific sounds good). But in the original release, the Mongols were not in the game, and Firaxis said they kinda merged the Mongols into the Chinese - hence the militaristic trait and the Rider.

Now that the Mongols are in the game, I wouldn't be surprised if they switch up China's traits in Conquests. While they're at it, I still think Rome should be Ind/Mil (though I've come to like their present traits too).

-Arrian

[PLATO]

I definately agree that Rome should be Ind/Mil. It seems kind of strange that they were not from the beginning. After all, they were among the most prolific builders and by far the most militaristic of the late ancient cultures.