New idea for country classifications in civ4

[pollyworth]

I would like to see countries classified as 3rd, 2nd or 1st world and I would like to see the benifits and pitfalls of each. Such as this...

Benefits:

1st world countries can more easily produce weapons of mass destruction and enjoys profitable trade.

2nd world countries are less likely to be focused on with contempt by the world community and enjoys profitable trade.

3rd world countries can trade drugs and weapons of mass destruction on the black market (of course, a black market would have to be created for civ4). And they can also choose to support terrorism allowing them to build a new unit: terrorist.

Pitfalls:

1st world countries are major terrorism targets of jealous 3rd world countries.

2nd world countries have a harder time maintaining a large military.

3rd world countries have a difficulty making large sums of money and little world respect.

[vondrack]

Ummm... I think the logic is flawed. In the RL, it is not that you "somehow become" a 1st world country and as a benefit coming out of it, you all of a sudden are able to produce WMD more easily... it is that your economic power allows you to produce them in large quantities and consequently, you begin to be regarded as a world power (and begin to draw the attention of the poorer, less successful nations that may start trying to hamper your success, perhaps even by waging a war of terror).

Likewise, 3rd world countries are not "having difficulties making large sums of money" just because they are part of the third world... It is the other way round - they are regarded as third world countries, because they are poor, have weak economies etc.

[pollyworth]

okay then how about this?

Suppose then when your country reaches a certain age, such as the Industrial, the new form of classification is born and set for you as your country is at that time. And this classification will always be hanging over your country's head--until you make an alliance with another country and/or declare a successful campaign large enough to throw world power out of balance and boost you up to a new level (or down to a lower level.)

[pinocchio]

I don't see the point of classifying countries, if your economy has gone to ****, well you already know about it and the other civs will treat you badly regardless of what you're labled.
However a sort of terrorist unit could be cool, every turn there could be like a 50% chance that it does what you direct it it to do, or it does what ever it wants. And if another friendly civ catches your 'terrorist' you have to pay them a fee.

[TacticalGrace]

How about when a country gets to 1st world status every citizen gets internet access, no matter how uneducated they are, and they get to send messages to international news groups thus making it look like your country is populated by moronic simpletons.

[pollyworth]

hmmmm...

[pollyworth]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
How about when a country gets to 1st world status every citizen gets internet access, no matter how uneducated they are, and they get to send messages to international news groups thus making it look like your country is populated by moronic simpletons.

Tactical,

I like your idea of putting 'the internet' into the game. The only problem is, civ 3 already has it. As far as making your country look like its populated by moronic simpletons--I think this idea's a no-go. We don't delve into the psychology per se of the population in civilization games.

[stonewall]

As said, I think you logic is backwards. A classification could be usefull for setting AI attitude, but I think that it already takes these factors into account in its calculations.

[Lorizael]

Second world country doesn't mean what you think it means, btw.

They were terms invented during the Cold War.

First world referred to America and its allies during the war. It just so happened that those countries tended to be the strongest.

Second world referred to Communist bloc nations.

Third world referred to anyone that hadn't taken sides/got abused by the first and second world nations.

The term "second world nation" has no modern usage.

[pollyworth]

nice

Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

[johncmcleod]

I agree with Pinnochio. When you have a bad economy, you suffer. You don't need a label to ell you it's bad and make it worse. BTW I thought 2nd world still meant a communist country?

[Lorizael]

It does, but when was the last time you heard a news reporter use the term "second world nation"?

[CharlesBHoff]

Wealth can disappear real fast. Than 1st world nation like America can become than 3rd world nation fast. We are heading to 3rd world nation status in America with tax cut for the rich only running 455 billion dollar budget debt this year and 475 billion dollar next year. Loseing over 2 million job since Buch became President.

[Hagbart]

LOL that idea sucks...

Instead just think of the despotism countries as 3rd world countries and the democracies as 1st world countries.

[Vince278]

Re: New idea for country classifications in civ4

Originally posted by pollyworth
I would like to see countries classified as 3rd, 2nd or 1st world and I would like to see the benifits and pitfalls of each. Such as this...

Such a classification really isn't relevent anymore in the real world.