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I have been playing Civ since Civ 1 came out, and I thought in Civ 2, they had things down really well... Units all seemed at good strenghts, and everything had a weakness, example, taking a city with city walls and mech infantry was extremely difficult with Armor, but with howitzers it could be done. However, howitzers were slow and had weak defence. Everything seemed in balance.
Igot civ 3 the day it was out... and after playing a few days, I was having fun, but the unit design seemed very flawed.. I posted something like this long long ago, and now that im back into the game and playing ptw, ill say it again:
WTF were they thinking when they designed these units!? some examples: Marine: is this the most patheticaly underpowered unit or what!? 8/6 for 100 shields? are you kidding me? it takes like 12 marines to take a size 7 city with 3 infantry in it, and thats if your lucky, the first few attacks will actually HELP the enemy, making the infantry elite.
Paratroopers: Same thing... way underpowered. 6/8? So... men with at least semi automatic rifles, some machine guns, and maybe some 75mm field guns dropped in with them have the same attack as napoleonic wars- civil war era cavalry? And you make us pay 100 sheilds for it? yeah.... ok...
Infantry: 6/10 too weak on the attack... I think they should have more defence, as we all know what would happen to men who would charge forified men in ww1/ww2 but 6 attack? come on...
Battleships: Before effective carrier aircraft, battleships owned, period. over a foot thick of armor, 12- 18 inch main guns, 20 miles ange. They could destroy multiple other ships at once. I asked someone I know who had been in the navy for many years, actually the only reason we dont still use battleships is it just costs too much, and take too many men to work it, but as a fighting machine its still excellent, even in the age. Their bombard strength of 8 is pathetic, as well as their defence and attack strength in Civ3.
Guerillas 6.6 90 sheilds. Ok again..semi auto - full auto assult rifles, 6/6 and so expensive? Oh wow, they dont reqire a resourse! Yippie! Ive NEVER not had a needed resourse, this is a useless unit.
All artillary units: Bombard is plain too weak. They make nice field units, but ae horrible at bombing cities. Just too weak.
Well I can go on, but im not gonna bore you. I just dont understand who made this stuff up. Whats with the freaking defensive advanatge in the industrial/modern age? Example: Mech infantry: 18 defence. Fortified, 22.5 In a size 15 city (90% of cites are metropolise size in the modern age) so 45. What about a city built on a hill or with civil defence? 67. What about both? even higher. How are we expected to break this dence with strenth 16 bombard usints, and strength 24 attack units? Even several armies of modern armor would have a hell of a time.
Now I know they made it easy to edit, and I have... but this issue of the first half is why is the game as it is? Here are my changes:
Catapult: 6 bombard Cannon: 10 bombard. Artiallary: 16 bombard. Radar Arty: 20 bombard, 3 moves (they have tracks and light armor, move as fast as modern tanks and toying with the idea of making them more expensive and 24 bombard)
Rifleman: A/D 5/6 Infanty: 8/10 Marines: 10/8 cost: 90 Paratroopers: 9/9 cost: 90 Guerillas: 8/6 cost: 80
Frigrates A/D/B (RoF is all the same) 4/4/4 Ironclads 6/6/6 Destroyers 14/12/12 6 moves Ageis Crusers 14/14/12 Battleship 22/20/18 (made them more expenssive, 240 sheilds) Sub 12/6 4 moves Nuklear sub 14/8 5 moves.
All planes get an extra 2 range, as did missles. all bombards were raised, RoF was unchanged. bombers: 16 Stealth Bombers: 20 Stealth Fighters: 12 Fighters: 10 Jet Fighters: 12
Tanks A/D/M 16/10/3, Modern Armor: 26/16/4 Mech Infantry: 12/18/3
Feel free to say if you think anythings unbalanced. Basically I tried to make things a bit more even for attackers in the industial and modern age. Mainly raised the seigeing power to weaken cities defended by infantry and mech infantry.
Also, if anyone can point me to a really well made mod of units, id appreciate it.
Igot civ 3 the day it was out... and after playing a few days, I was having fun, but the unit design seemed very flawed.. I posted something like this long long ago, and now that im back into the game and playing ptw, ill say it again:
WTF were they thinking when they designed these units!? some examples: Marine: is this the most patheticaly underpowered unit or what!? 8/6 for 100 shields? are you kidding me? it takes like 12 marines to take a size 7 city with 3 infantry in it, and thats if your lucky, the first few attacks will actually HELP the enemy, making the infantry elite.
Paratroopers: Same thing... way underpowered. 6/8? So... men with at least semi automatic rifles, some machine guns, and maybe some 75mm field guns dropped in with them have the same attack as napoleonic wars- civil war era cavalry? And you make us pay 100 sheilds for it? yeah.... ok...
Infantry: 6/10 too weak on the attack... I think they should have more defence, as we all know what would happen to men who would charge forified men in ww1/ww2 but 6 attack? come on...
Battleships: Before effective carrier aircraft, battleships owned, period. over a foot thick of armor, 12- 18 inch main guns, 20 miles ange. They could destroy multiple other ships at once. I asked someone I know who had been in the navy for many years, actually the only reason we dont still use battleships is it just costs too much, and take too many men to work it, but as a fighting machine its still excellent, even in the age. Their bombard strength of 8 is pathetic, as well as their defence and attack strength in Civ3.
Guerillas 6.6 90 sheilds. Ok again..semi auto - full auto assult rifles, 6/6 and so expensive? Oh wow, they dont reqire a resourse! Yippie! Ive NEVER not had a needed resourse, this is a useless unit.
All artillary units: Bombard is plain too weak. They make nice field units, but ae horrible at bombing cities. Just too weak.
Well I can go on, but im not gonna bore you. I just dont understand who made this stuff up. Whats with the freaking defensive advanatge in the industrial/modern age? Example: Mech infantry: 18 defence. Fortified, 22.5 In a size 15 city (90% of cites are metropolise size in the modern age) so 45. What about a city built on a hill or with civil defence? 67. What about both? even higher. How are we expected to break this dence with strenth 16 bombard usints, and strength 24 attack units? Even several armies of modern armor would have a hell of a time.
Now I know they made it easy to edit, and I have... but this issue of the first half is why is the game as it is? Here are my changes:
Catapult: 6 bombard Cannon: 10 bombard. Artiallary: 16 bombard. Radar Arty: 20 bombard, 3 moves (they have tracks and light armor, move as fast as modern tanks and toying with the idea of making them more expensive and 24 bombard)
Rifleman: A/D 5/6 Infanty: 8/10 Marines: 10/8 cost: 90 Paratroopers: 9/9 cost: 90 Guerillas: 8/6 cost: 80
Frigrates A/D/B (RoF is all the same) 4/4/4 Ironclads 6/6/6 Destroyers 14/12/12 6 moves Ageis Crusers 14/14/12 Battleship 22/20/18 (made them more expenssive, 240 sheilds) Sub 12/6 4 moves Nuklear sub 14/8 5 moves.
All planes get an extra 2 range, as did missles. all bombards were raised, RoF was unchanged. bombers: 16 Stealth Bombers: 20 Stealth Fighters: 12 Fighters: 10 Jet Fighters: 12
Tanks A/D/M 16/10/3, Modern Armor: 26/16/4 Mech Infantry: 12/18/3
Feel free to say if you think anythings unbalanced. Basically I tried to make things a bit more even for attackers in the industial and modern age. Mainly raised the seigeing power to weaken cities defended by infantry and mech infantry.
Also, if anyone can point me to a really well made mod of units, id appreciate it.
The AI seems to use it quite effectively.
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