Ocean ROP

[DCMike]

I don't know if this has been discussed before but as I was trying to explore the world in my current game, I thought it might be useful to have two types of right of passage agreements- one for land and one for sea. Maybe the next expansion could have this. Any thoughts?

[statusperfect]

great idea..

easy to implement....

if the new editor is REALLY powerful in conquests we might even do it ourselves

cheers

[GodKing]

Good idea.

[Kloreep]

Good idea. Although I've found the AI usually acts as if it has one with you anyway, at least before Navigation/Magnetism.

[Nym]

I thought sea and land you control were already considered the same way for ROP: when there is no ROP you are not authorized to go through the sea controlled by the AI.
Or do you mean you want to control land and sea ROP separately? If so, yes, it is a good idea.

[TheStinger]

You could even have land,sea and air

[Nym]

Originally posted by TheStinger
You could even have land,sea and air

Air ROP. Good idea too

[CrONoS]

Air ROP... Why??????

Bomber, Fighter dont really fly over things... you just pick a zone to bombard and your bomber drop the bombs where you click...
Your bomber ic Civ3 dont fly like in Civ2... it got to be in a city or a AirPort... And when you "rebase" in a new city, your aircraft dont care about any distance or what is between the "source city" and the "destination city"...

But if the Air ROP can make you give the right to make AirPort in another Civilization, this can be a good thing...

I can't wait to see if Conquest got new option in the editor?
Anyone know if there a chat soon fixed with firaxis?

thanks and see ya

[Nym]

For helicopters maybe

[Roggan]

rop isnt only mad in see

itis mad in land two

hance rops

[Spiffor]

Sea ROPs would be of very limited use, namely pre-navigation sea exploration. While it would be enjoyable in the early game, it would become completely useless in the later game (where boats can fare outside of the Civ's territory).

Personally, to avoid the "trireme in foreign borders" syndrome, I've edited my game for Triremes to have four moves, and other ships to have many more.

[WarpStorm]

I just ignore the warnings the AI gives me for ship encroachments as it very rarely causes war (and they rarely encroach from sea).

[mrmitchell]

rop isnt only mad in see

itis mad in land two

hance rops

Ottok got a DL!

[PLATO]

I don't see any added utility to having a land RoP and a sea RoP. The current situation mirrors the real world pretty well IMHO. Ancient civs may claim sea territory but have little ability to enforce it. The AI mirrors this when it tells you to leave, you ignore it, and nothing happens. As a Civ matures, I can see things like trading a RoP at navigational checkpoints for some type of consideration, but beyond that I believe that a general RoP should suffice.

[Nym]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
I can see things like trading a RoP at navigational checkpoints for some type of consideration

I think it is the main idea behind the sea ROP concept.