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    Who is your favourite neighbour?

    Who do you prefer to have as your neighbour?

    By this I do not mean who do you find easiest to conquer. I mean who do you find most agreeable to peacefully coexist with.

    I am starting to think that Shaka and his fierce Impis might be the most desirable neighbours for me, particularly if I am next to Russians, Ottomans or some other vicious treacherous lot.

    Shaka does need to be managed though. One has to supply him with regular wars (Russian or Persian sneak attacks on me often take care of that), trade with him, occaisonally help him if you bite off more than he can chew AND keep ones borders well defended particularly between wars.

    I have had many games in which Shaka has done nearly all of my fighting with little gain (I get to watch my AI ally and AI enemy belt one another stupid while I build infrastructure and merely defend my borders). Later, at my convenience, I may join in with a massive force and grab the prime real estate from one of our mutual enemies.

    Sometimes Bismark is extremely useful but Shaka seems to be the most useful of all. (BUT if you get on the wrong side of the Zulu they are worst of them all).
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    yea, the warmonger civs will love you if you fight wars with them, but if you don't, they go ape on you.

    on the higher difficulties, the zulu and the germans often get mad at you before you could even think about starting a war.
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    • #3
      Zulus are quite easy to conquer peacefully with culture flipping.
      I also find that Babylonians, Frenchs, Indians and Greeks are the most peaceful civs.
      Nym
      "Der Krieg ist die bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln." (Carl von Clausewitz, Vom Kriege)

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      • #4
        Ghandi is by far my favorite neighbor since I just never have to put units in cities along his border
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        • #5
          Yeah, Ghandi's good - but he's greedy on the deals. I find the Iroquois deal a bit more generously.

          Either I would consider a useful ally rather than an early conquest.

          At the other end - if I have the Persians as neighbours then I'll want a healthy chokepoint to keep them at bay.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cruddy
            At the other end - if I have the Persians as neighbours then I'll want a healthy chokepoint to keep them at bay.
            Yes. I think it is the most treacherous civ.
            Nym
            "Der Krieg ist die bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln." (Carl von Clausewitz, Vom Kriege)

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            • #7
              Who do you prefer to have as your neighbour?

              By this I do not mean who do you find easiest to conquer. I mean who do you find most agreeable to peacefully coexist with.
              Oh. Um. Hmm. None of the above?

              I don't coexist well with the AI. The AI is the enemy. Sooner or later they're gonna mess with me. So I'd rather beat 'em to the punch.

              That said, if I'm going to coexist with an AI civ, let them be weak. The Zulu are usually weak, and happy to ally with me to get into a war. Their weakness means that I can gift them things without giving away any of my edge, and they will be happy with me. The Zulu were, in fact, the most recent neighbor that I chose not to kill.

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              • #8
                Babylon, if you want a quiet border. They just build infrastructure unless forced to fight. The Germans and Greeks always want to fight.
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                • #9
                  Heh, I find Hammurabi to be one of the most demanding SOBs out there, especially in the ancient era. He's always demands things from me and then follows through with a declaration of war if I refuse.

                  -Arrian
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                  • #10
                    Anyone - as long as they aren't on MY continent(s).

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                    • #11
                      India, Korea and Zululand. Ghandi makes a fairly loyal ally, by AI standards. Korea never quite gets going militarily. In my games, Shaka seems to always manage his empire poorly. Every turn his early dangerous presence is reduced until he is backward nation armed with cannon fodder.
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                      • #12
                        I'm glad as long as I'm not next to that ***** Xerxes.

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                        • #13
                          France is far and away the best neighbor I've ever had. Never a problem with the frenchies although I have backstabbed them from time to time.

                          India is always nice. Not very friendly sometimes, but they've never attacked me by themselves.
                          A true ally stabs you in the front.

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                          • #14
                            Right, Xerxes as neighbour = early bad news. I happen to like the English, as long as they have little territory; big chance, huh? Hammurabi should ask less... He is a great neighbour after the ancient ages, but should NEVER grow too strong, unless you want an invincible civ with tons tons tons of city flips, and cultural related problems... The Ottomans are a pleasurable civ, since they at least most of the times try to make some deal. But that's just with me.

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                            • #15
                              France is the most peacful Civ, often has tons of money for my products, and almost only builds defensive units. Besides, they aren't that much of a cultural threat (they build much culture but don't have bonuses), and are willing to trade. I never had any problems with them.

                              Korea is also quiet and can offer good deals. Besides, there is no need to fear their golden age

                              As I'm not a warmonger, I never became buddy-buddy with Bismarck or Shaka.
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