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  • #16
    Harry brings up a good point - Lego never said that they would "give" Lux a city to get them over there. I think Lego made the offer for Lux to settle on their continent knowing that Lux would never reach it on their own. If they (Lego) were willing to give a city to Lux, I believe this would have been stated before. But since Lego has been silent concerning giving up a city to Lux, I don't believe Lego was/is willing to go this far to help Lux out.

    So there is a very good chance that if we let Lux survive, we are going to be stuck with Trip's antics for some time to come on our continent.

    Yep, this line of thought seals it - let's take back Dissidentville!
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    • #17
      I just checked the vote results and there are 5 yes votes. I guess I am the only one who has not voted yet and my vote won't make a difference one way or the other. Since this looks like it is a go I will direct my thoughts on how best to do the deed.

      The way things are, Lux/Trip will not last long. The question is how much longer. We can take them out now or we get them Map Making, let them build one galley and one settler, and send them on their way wishing them the best of luck in the uncharted territory while we take the city without waiting for the results of their trip. I think they can produce a galley and a settler in about 15 turns. Do we give Lux that much time or not? I would not give them more time than that. I really would like to live up to our agreement but Trip is making it very hard to do so.

      Beta wrote:
      I am worried, from a micro-management perspective, of the future vulnerability of Dissidentville (already renamed ) to cultural conversion after being in Lux's hands for a long time, and it being so far from our capitol.
      I am not worried. We will have more factors in our favor. Once we take it back and Lux's capital moves to Legoland Dissidentville will be closer to our capital than theirs, + for us. We will have more culture than Lux, + for us. None of the tiles in the city radius will be controlled by another civ, neutral. If we build a settler out of there quickly to found another city it will minimize the number of foreign nationals in Dissidentville.

      Here is what does worry me, especially after reading those messages he posted in the PTWDG forums. What if Trip decides he doesn't want to move to Legoland? He has the Iron and can build swordsman. He could make it very tough (costly) for us to take Lux out.

      As I said above, I would like to give them 15 turns to set sail but if we give Trip a deadline he may decide he is better off building swordsmen and sitting tight. Although I hate breaking a deal, I am not adverse to ending this either. Its too bad, this could have worked out very well for both sides.

      If you do go for it, take the worker Lux produced first or it will disappear when the city is taken. Also make sure that another unit can take the city in the same turn or some unit can take the city in the next turn. This has to be done within two turns (Lux gets only one in between) or it will give Lux the chance to build a defender in the city and we will not be able to take it. If it takes a turn to get into position, I would not post anything publicly until war is declared.

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      • #18
        Beta wrote:
        I agree that we need to forge stronger links with RP. They will be key when we get over there - and by all accounts, they are the furthest from the strait, and therefore will feel the least threatened by our presence, and may be our best bet at allies.
        I think ND is farther than RP. From my notes I made reading that long FA thread I put RP in the SE portion of the continent with ND in the SW portion closest to Lego.

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        • #19
          Thanks for the posts, guys. Your points are well taken Harry.

          The cultural concersion I am concerned about is not to Lux, but to GS. The culural conyinuity of Vox has been broken, and we will have foreigners in the city which makes it worse. Along with the realive distances between the two capitols. There is a good strategy thread where Soren of Firaxis explained what went into culture flipping. (Culture Flipping Exposed)

          And yes - when we do it - we do it quickly. We have a spearman right next to the city and he can do it quickly and efficiently. And yes - hopefully the worker is produced. I'm not sure it is worth waiting a couple of turns for a worker, but if he is there - and out side the city - then yes - I will try and nab him. If he is inside the city - we will get them when we take over.

          Hadn't thought about the iron and swordsmen issue - but you are right - that would be a colossol pain.

          I was thinking of contacting vondrack og legoland, to ask if they would be willing to gift a city to get them over there. If yes - and contact can be made shortly - then ... well, maybe not even then.

          And ND vs RP - hmmm - I suspect you are right. I always pictured them the other way around, but that was more my imagination than anything.

          Still waiting on the save.
          Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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          • #20
            Good points Harry.

            You are right, I actually forgot about the iron deposit in the city's radius (after it expands). I have no doubts that Trip would use this resource to build swordsmen - we can NOT let this happen (after all, they have already produced the worker to build the road).

            If we are still "in discussion" about the life left to Lux, and we see their worker move to the iron deposit, or building a road network up to it...
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            • #21
              Originally posted by BetaHound
              I was thinking of contacting vondrack og legoland, to ask if they would be willing to gift a city to get them over there. If yes - and contact can be made shortly - then ... well, maybe not even then.
              I thought you had already broached this option to Lego - and received no reply. Hmmm, sorry, I guess I was mistaken.
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              • #22
                I remember the thread about Culture Flipping Exposed but I do not remember the details. The parts I do remember are: The number of tiles in the city's radius controled by foreign powers, distance between capitals, foreign nationals in the city, resistors in the city, military units in the city, the built up culture value in the city for each civ, and the overall culture values of the civs. Unless GS starts building near Dissidentville there will be no tiles controlled by foreign powers and GS does not have any culture built up in the city. I don't see the city flipping to GS. Once we get it back it won't take long to build a temple there and start building some of our own culture in the city.

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                • #23
                  True, plus how many "foreign" nationals can there be? One? I too believe that this shouldn't be an issue.
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                  • #24
                    I can't believe you (actually we) actually did it

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                    • #25
                      It would appear that the general public reaction is very moderate, I would even say a bit in our favour - indeed, Shiber hit the nail right on the head.
                      Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                      • #26
                        True, Shiber did sum it up rather well...If I didn't know better, I would think that Shiber was on our team!
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                        "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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                        • #27
                          Received by PM today form Trip. I do not plan on responding.

                          Thanks
                          For letting me know in advance. I suppose I'll inform Lego that there's no possibility of another city jump to their continent in 2 turns as we were close to having finalized.


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                          (it had a thumbs up smiley attached to it. Hmmm .. I guess that was sarcasm.)
                          Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                          • #28
                            If a city jump was 2 turns away....why are we hearing about it now - and from Trip after the fact?

                            Nope. I don't believe it for a moment.
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                            "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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                            • #29
                              Exactly my thoughts, Witt. I think no response is the best response. I am on good terms with vondrack. I suspect we will find out sooner or later how close they really were.
                              Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                              • #30
                                I concur, I too see no reason to respond to Trip's PM and give him reason to continue his ranting.
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