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Diss - from F1 you will get some idea of the wealth we are generating per turn - but more importantly how much goes to research if you adjust the slider. So, move the slider to a set point. If we are putting x gold to research and it would take us y turns to research pottery - the math gives us a figure we can use to say whetehr 25 gold, or 40 gold, or 100 gold would be a reasonable figure. Skywalker posted earlier that he thugt 40-50 gold was too much. I'm not sure. Hence the question. I would like to get the request in now, as we have a small bit of leverage.
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Ok I have some numbers. I haven't crunched them yet.
With 20@ science we have 2 going to science per turn
Alphabet: 40
Iron Working: 40
Mysticism: 40
Pottery: 19
Warrior Code: 32
with 100% science we have 7 trade arrows going to science per turn
Iron Working: 21
Alphabet: 18
Pottery: 6
Warrior: 10
mysticism: 14
That makes pottery 47.5% the value of Iron Working at 20%science rate
and 28.5% the value of Iron Working at 100% science rateComment
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so it looks like pottery will vary between 38 and 42 trade arrows.
So 35 to 40 seems like a good offer for Pottery.Comment
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put that reasoning into our request
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OK. Great Diss. Thanks. I appreciate that. I guess I will start with 15 gold and 1 per turn. That totals 35. In the ball park - and doesn't run the traesury down much now.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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Great news! It would be even greater if we can purchase pottery also...
Along with us trying to exand, we can't forget about our military might - When GS realizes that we have no intention of trading Iron working for Alphabet...they are going to be pissed! 
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we won't tell them we have Iron Working just yet...Comment
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OK - I offered 30 - 10 now and 1 per turn, plus of course, the research arrangement - which is just great for us. One of the real plusses of getting iron work early is we can see where the resouces are - fingers crossed guys.
The response is as per the above, except for 10 now and 1 per turn.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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I agree Diss. We will wait until they can put Alphabet on the table - and even then .....Originally posted by Dissident
we won't tell them we have Iron Working just yet...
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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OK I accepted. If they accept their turn we should get it next turn and shall see... *fingers crossed*
remember they cannot see what we have. So they do not know when we get it.Comment
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Yes - fingers crossed. This relationship with Lux looks promising.
I would even like to look into the idea of co-opting their assistance for a little war down the road. Soon as they have galleys and can get troops to our continent, we could use their help in asserting ourselves in Estonia. We could then help them do likewise.
After that - well - that's a long way down the road.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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Great news!!! Lux is on side. Diss or Jon - not sure what went on the table last turn, I presume we got iron working. Can you put the 10 gold and 1 gold per turn on the table as well. And then we should get pottery. That only leaves warrior code and alphabet as the first tier techs we don't have.
One thing they have not told us is what they are working on. I will subtly inquire.
Re: Research Agreement
My reply comes too late, for trip has authorized the trade already in game. But basically I did wanted to say that your requests are more than welcomed. Trip should have provided pottery and our alchemists should be providing the missing formula which your alchemists should understand by now.
Yay for Lux Invicta, Yay for Vox Controli!~
Unless there is another issue that needs to be worked out, I will see you when mysticism is understood. Then we can plan another joint cooperation based on the situation presented then.
Lets keep this mutual relationship going!
Calc IICry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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Fantastic!
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"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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What did you offer so we know exactly what to put on the table?
Was it 15 gold up front and 1 per turn for 20 turns?Comment
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10 gold now - and 1 per turn for 20 turns. They said OK..Originally posted by BetaHound
OK - I offered 30 - 10 now and 1 per turn, plus of course, the research arrangement - which is just great for us. One of the real plusses of getting iron work early is we can see where the resouces are - fingers crossed guys.
The response is as per the above, except for 10 now and 1 per turn.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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