Foreign Affairs - Volume 2

[Jon Miller]

the trade deal is in affect with GS

I am just not aware of any discussions between the two of us

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

GS has agreed to the trade deal

I tink the 6 horus ahs gone by for this

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

GS has agreed to the trade deal

I tink the 6 horus ahs gone by for this

Jon Miller

[Beta]

This note arrived from RP with the game save -

"We now have contact with your nation.

GoW informs us that you will give us contact with Gathering Storm, as a part of
the deal we made with them (they're paying on our behalf). Please send that to
us this turn.

I may have offered Mysticism, but I checked the offer screen again and it wasn't
there. If you see it there, it's a separate offer from the GS contact. We don't
need to make the trade now, just wanted to let you know that it was available.
We'd like to start negotiating a price.

We can also offer you Writing and Contact with Neu Dem, but those would be at a
higher price and we should begin discussing prices immediately. Please contact
Nuclear Winter to start negotiations with us.

--Togas"

[Beta]

I hope you don't mind Diss and jon, but I took the liberty of writing GS, given everything that was on the table. Here is what I sent. Hope you are OK with it.


nbarclay and Sir Ralph of Gathering Storm.

Greetings Gentlemen.

I have been pulled back from the Voxian Economic Council to talk to you about a number of things. I know that Dissident had tried to contact you, as well as Jon Miller, but many of us are busy with other RL activities, and a lot has happened in the game lately.

I sincerely hope we can look beyond past issues when I was representing Vox Controli. They were tense and untrusting times, and I apologize if I did anything personally to add to that atmosphere. I do believe we have entered a new era of trust and co-operation.

To business. We have completed Mysticism. We have sent it to you on the trade table as accepted. You need simply to accept to receive it.

We have also sent Warrior Code as part of the same package. This is where it gets complex, and why we need to talk - and perhaps even schedule a chat. Monday was a good evening last time - perhaps tomorrow night. Let us know. Anyways .. 'the facts, m'am, just the facts.'

You know we have met Lux. We had a deal with them - to complete a really misunderstood trade deal of old - where we would trade Mysticism for Warrior Code. Before that happened, we met GoW. After very little discussion, they proposed Warrior Code, Horseback Riding, and contact with you, in exchange for Mysticism and contact with RolePlay. The technology portion of that trade has gone through - BEFORE we really got down to discuss it or agree to it. So we also have Horseback Riding, which we will send next turn. (I'm not sure why you can't forward on a tech you received that turn - it shows that we have it.)

We explained to Lux what happened, and for good will, traded them Mysticism anyway for 20 gold.

In the meantime, and this baffles me - this is not acting guys - this really baffles me - we have been given contact with RolePlay. I figure they both have writing, and GoW just agreed to it. It didn't show up on any of our trade screens, and we obviously don't have writing yet. Any ideas?

Anyways - Roleplay was offering Mysticism, which we politely declined. They are also offering contact with NeuD. As are GoW for 20 gold.

Now - two key things we need from you.

One - a discussion on what we research next. We have put research on hold for one turn - waiting to hear from you. (Guess we had this one coming, eh. ) Our two choices are math (20 turns) or polytheism.(29). Or, we hang tight until writing is done (how long?) and we do one of philosophy or code of laws to get us both to the republic. Any thoughts? (Please think quickly - it is great for the treasury - but bad for science - and that means bad for both of us.)


end of horse number one (yes, a horse - even if we don't have any...)

(continued on second camel - er horse - yes, this is a horse)

Two - we have two - and now three civs clamoring at the door to meet you. You can see from the above that we have not held back any technology, nor used this leverage to our advantage in any way.That was the deal. But, with everyone trying to get in touch with you - that contact is now worth something - to both of us. We should try to maximize it terms of mutual benefit.

If you insist, and as part of the good will arrangement that now exists between us, we can and will simply provide contact if that is what you want. But that gets nothing for both of us. Also - one complication - as part of the Horseback Riding deal, GoW wants us NOT to trade it to you, so they can. We can explain that we are just going to give it to you, but they may not understand. The other civs on the continent (RP, NeuD, Lux, and GoW) seem to be in a dog-eat-dog kind of world, and may not understand our research pact. We know that Lux does not.

We can either tell GoW about our arrangement, and that there is no way we could hold back a tech. Or we can keep it from them, which makes contact with you more valuable. But we will be seen as being deceitful. GoW is fairly straightforwrd, but aggressive. Lux is a handful to deal with, and Neu D has written us and told us of similar issues. Neu D seems like a pretty solid civ, but we have had limited correspondence. And RolepLay- well who knows?

The real plus to opening up the trading arena is that with two of us wheeling and dealing - and then simply sharing what we get - we should be able to easily stay ahead of the others. But we - both Vox and GS - should get something in return for opening up that arena.

Also - we would like to eventually discuss expansion plans. If you recall the last discussion on border arrangements, the northen part of the neighbouring continent is very close to our capitol, and closer than the border towns down south. If we can get across and expand into that continent, with your assistance, then we can discuss a different split of the land in Estonia. I may be getting a bit ahead of the game here, but we should have some medium term goals.

Anyways, please get back to us regarding the first two points. If you think a chat will help, name a time tomorrow evening, and we will try to gather our limited supply of folks.

Take care. Hope all is well at your end.

Cheers! Beta

ps - I much prefer doing business this way and in this environment.

[Beta]

And now a letter received from Roleplay. What is clear is that we are holding our own in the world in technology. Unless of course, they have a number of techs they didn't put on the table, which I doubt.

Also note that GoW offered contact with NeuD for 20 gold. But we still need to finish off the details of that last trade ...

And it looks like jon is going to get some squid.

BTW - I passed this note onto nathan barclay of GS, for their consideration along with the things I asked them about in the above letter.

RolePlay's letter:

Diplomatic contact, and the meeting fo the tribes
My dear Friend BetaHound, representative of the great Voxians,

It is with great pleasure that after a terrible accident that kept me away from travels and work, I am once again capable of starting diplomatic contact with the Voxians.
The kingdom of the Warriors promised us that they could take our messengers to meet your people. This has pleased us greatly, as we are always eager to contact other tribes, even more a kingdom like that of yours.
Also, the warriors told us they could arrange so that your kingdom would intermediate a meeting between our people and a strange nation of the name Storm gatherers or something like this... we would like to know the specifications of such a meeting.
Also, we think that this is just a great moment to prepare a strong relationship between our nations.
We ask that the Almighty Voxians consider the following:
Technology trade: we ask that your Wisemen list the knowledges the Voxians dominate, so that we can set up a deal. We prefer to exchange knowledge, but if not, we will be happy to sell the Voxians Writing for 100 gold nuggets,Mysticism for 75 gold nuggets or we could arrange a meeting between the Arabs and the Voxians for 75 gold nuggets
We ask for a non-aggression pact of 30 turns so that we can put into paper what is already set in talk. We also are willing to give your nation the status of most favored trade partner, and we would like to know what deals the great Voxians offer to us.

Now I shall bid you farewell, as I have to start preparing the gifts that I shall take personally to His Lordship johnmiller.

Until soon, my friend!
Nuclearis Winterius II,
Diplomat

[Beta]

Received from redstar1 of Legoland? how do you gys feel about this?

Telegram....
Hi, Foreign Minister from Legoland here! Just looking to see if you guys are interested in a 4000/3950BC minimap exchange?

[Dis]

why do they want our minimap?

We aren't that far from map making. We can wait until the appropiate technology I feel. We refused trading minis before, we may as well stay consistant.

[Dis]

I prefer not to buy writing because we can get it from GS and we already have mysticism.

And people are throwing that preferred trading partner term around too loosely. I thought that is what Lux said.

[Beta]

Diss - I agree with everything in your last two posts.

[Beta]

Also had this pm from Ghengis. We never got a chance to talk. I will try later today. I am away from a computer until 9pm this evening (est).

What is interesting is that they want to offer mathematics for mysticism. I thought we had already traded it to them as part of the last deal, but then I noted that no-where in his proposed deal di it mention myst. We should just play dumb - and say OK to math for myst. If one of you are talking to hgim - go ahead and offer that.

His note:

Trade Deal for Mathematics
Need to see if I can talk to you in the chatroom about trading Mathematics for Mysticism.
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[Jon Miller]

note

I got a note from GS

they didn't accept the exchange because they wanted to hvae the trade deal formal like

here is what they suggest for formal terms
quote:

(1) Gathering Storm and Vox Controli hereby formally agree to give each other all technologies discovered, through whatever means, for the duration of this agreement.

(2) This agreement may be cancelled by either team under the following conditions. (a) The team wishing to cancel the agreement must provide a minimum of ten turns' notice. (b) Both sides, and especially the side initiating cancellation, are required to act in good faith to ensure that the treaty will be ended (or transitioned to some other arrangement) in a way that is equitable to both. Both agree not to manipulate the timing of tech discovery, tech trades with other parties, the ending of the deal itself, or any other factor in such a way as to obtain an unfair advantage over the other.

Jon Miller
ps they will have writing in 3 turns

[Wittlich]

Well, their formal agreement sounds fine to me. What do you all think?

[Eli]

I just talked to Togas and Dejon. They want to know why we dont send them the contact.

[Jon Miller]

we are I beleive

it just takes a turn or so

Jon Miller