Final Poll On Tech Trade

[Beta]

Read the other poll's thread for pros and cons, plus the war thread, plus the FA thread. Then vote. This one is final. GS is getting impatient.

[Jon Miller]

yes

because by the time we learn ironworking, connect iron, and get a few immortals, they will be massproducing bronzemen like mad

spearemen take less time than a immortal, and if we don't trade, they will think there is soemthing up, so they will rush for bronzeworking faster and make mroe spearemen than if we don't trade it

Jon Miller

[Beta]

Hmmm - there is good logic to that jon. If we do the trade - and promise to do the second part - we put them on a research course of the alphabet. Which gives us time to build the place up a bit, and get immortals together. We will be facing spearmen anyways as you have stated - and you are right - this will look like we want peace in the long term, so they may restrict building a lot of spearmen. And we get another tech to trade.

It is that versus forcing them to research it. I suspect they are researching faster than us - and it is only a 30 beeker (and probably less now) tech - that is half of iron working. And then where will we be militarily at the end of that - we will not have had time to build up sufficient numbers of Immortals to rush them. And they could still have hordes of chariots.

Man - this is a tough call - but I vote yes as well. You have convinced me - great fearless leader.

[Jon Miller]

if only the person who voted no would have posted

Jon Miller

[Beta]

Eli? Man of few words.

I presume. His position has been fairly clear from the start.

I wish you would say more Eli - this is a tough call - I've changed my mind several times already. I have asked my wife. She looked at me weird. I have asked the two cats. One voted yes. The other no. Not much help either.

If it wasn't you, I take it all back, except the parts about me, my wife, and the cats, which is most of it.

New rule - since we are a small team - if you vote - please post that you have so we know who is left to vote.

[Wittlich]

I voted yes.

[Beta]

That's 3 out of 5, and I believe Diss will vote yes from everything he has posted. That would be 4 out of 5.

Young skywalker has not been present much, and has not participated in recent polls, so I say 3 out of 5 carries the day.

Hate to rush - but if we do feel that yes is the right vote, letting it go to long (and another GS turn has already slipped by) may result in them deciding for us. Which given how tough this one was anyways, might be the best approach.

Just kidding.

Time for a rum and coke and a pen - er - keyboard.

[Beta]

Thought I would post this letter here - as it is in direct response to this poll. This is the proposed response to GS. Please comments asap. Thanks ... Beta

Nathan Barclay of Gathering Storm,

Greetings my dear sir. My humble apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I acknowledge the pressures that have been placed on you and your leaders by our deliberations.

After considerable discussion - and I think you fully understand and appreciate the magnitude of these early decisions - I am pleased to inform you that I have been directed by the Controller to advise Gathering Storm that the two-tiered technology trade, as previously outlined, is acceptable to Vox Controli.

To this end, we would, at the earliest possible moment, trade bronze working for the wheel. At a prescribed future date, we will trade iron working for alphabet. We acknowldge the need for the two-tiered trade to create equity in the overall beeker costs of the trades involved.

We do have one concern. In the first instance, we are trading a 'military' technology for another military technology, which in our opinion, is of lesser significance, to us, Vox Controli, of Persian lineage. In the second instance we are trading an even more powerful military technology for a peaceful technology. This way of looking at the two-tiered trade was the major stumbling block to its early approval here at home. We, of Vox Controli, are all certain of our own peaceful intentions. However, some of our senators are not so sure of yours. And this trade was seen by some as a major step in strengthening your military position.

We therefore ask that this deal be taken in conjunction with the earlier proposals on peaceful co-existance on the continent, as outlined in my previous letter. One is dependent on the other.

We would also appreciate a "statement of peaceful intent" from Gathering Storm, given that we have stated our such intent several times now.

We also see the need to get past this early stumbling block our relationship has encountered. If we can work towards mutual trust and co-dependence, I feel that together, we will be better prepared to face the rset of the world. Gathering Storm had raised this point in an earlier correspondence. The position has merits, and I can see us both working towards such a goal.

In conclusion, we do trust that we can do business as described above. I look forward to hearing from you, not only in regards to the technology trade, but with respect to the territorial matters discussed earlier. I offer my sincerest regards to you and the leaders of Gathering Storm.

Yours truly,

BetaHound
Voice of Foreign Affairs
Vox Controli

[Jon Miller]

hmm, talk about a two teired trade, but say that in the interest of fairness, we would want to trade military tech fro military tech

we can have another round of delibreations before agreeing to do alphabet and ironworking (basically I want to delay more)

but yes, say that this trade and go ahead

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

I have noticed Skywalker has not been contributing much

I may ban him if he does not find a place soon (so if you read this Skywalker, take it as a warning to start contributing, if it requires too much orf your time, than I am sorry)

Jon Miller

[Wittlich]

I think that Beta's letter is well put....but I do agree with Jon on the Mil-for-Mil trade, but given the current situation we may have to let this one pass....of course, Jon is right, when it comes time for Alphabet for Iron Working, we can always drag it out.

Edit: Typo - Thanks Beta

[Beta]

Witt - I think you meant Beta's letter. And from both your post and jon's, it looks like everyone is having an entertaining Friday evening. I am. Bottle of wine is almost done, and letter to GS is sent. No more pros and cons, deliberations, or polls. It is done. Fini. (as per the other official language up here).

Gawd - I thought that debate was going to kill me/us. Well, let's see what comes of it.

A demain, mes amis!

(and yes - jon - I concur about monsieur skywalker. I am surprised that the rest of you haven't gotten suspicious by now. )

Time for bed .... bon soir!!!!

[Dis]

go ahead and PM or e-mail skywalker and se what is up. He may be out of town or something.

And yes giving them Iron working is not my desire. That would give them better defense (by defense I mean offense ) to our immortals. But we will see what happens when the time comes.

[Eli]

Try generating maps in the editor and see how often Iron appears. You'll see it's not often enough for us to be certain that we have it. I would'nt even give a 50% chance.

A question. How far do we plan to expand in the immediate future? Are the two mountain ridges in Southern Estonia will be settled before our possible war? What if GS claims that territory as theirs?
If those two ridges are ours, then the chances to have Iron rise significantly.

[Beta]

It may be a bit of a rush to get there - and they are closer - but I agree, Eli - it would be good to get a city into the mountains. The big advantage is that we will actually 'see' the iron well before GS. This should buy us time to scramble for it if need be.