The Foreign Affairs Thread

[Jon Miller]

we could move up one warrior, and keep the other down (move it up to the mountains just north of it)

Jon Miller

[Wittlich]

Jon - Concerning your last post, are you talking about our meeting with Lux, or are you referring to the isthmus?

[Dis]

bump for Betahound. I do want to draw up some kind of response before they play their turn.

[Beta]

I'm here. I'm very tired tonight. But if we can agree on what we want to say - I will have it ready by tomorrow at 9am EST.

[Dis]

I don't want to be stepping on any toes. But I did send a quick PM in case they play their turn tonight. Basically alluding to some things we agreed to in the GS and the GS tech trade thread in a vague way. So they aren't suprised when they open up their turn and we did not accept their tech trade and our warrior is still there.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Jon - Concerning your last post, are you talking about our meeting with Lux, or are you referring to the isthmus?

the isthmus

Jon Miller

[Dis]

also if we can draw up some diplomacy for Gathering Storm. Now I know how far south they are located, we may have enough info we can pull our warriors back up to the jungle. We have a general location of where one of their cities is. And I'm almost certain there are no other civs beyond them.

so maybe we can agree to pull our warriors back up and cease further exploration south. Hopefully that will appease them for 13 turns until we get our secret research done. And then we need a few more turns to try to connect to Iron.

Also we can start up official relations with Lux Invicta. We start with the same techs. But we can research different paths and trade techs to get an edge on Gathering Storm and other civs. If that is what we want to do.

Just some thoughts. Their warriors are crouding up around the chokepoint, so I do want to get GS off our back. We have enough geographical info of South Estonia for now I think.

[Jon Miller]

yah, we should pull back now

Jon miller

[Beta]

Diss - I like your strategy.

The big mountain chain next to the warrior on the west coast creates a natural dividing line, now that we know where they are.

It will still be a bit of a race to claim the land just north of it - but it should be do-able.

[Beta]

PROPOSED RESPONSE TO GS - based on the recent poll on medium term goals.

1. we will stop all southern expansion and pull our warriors back to a) where they are now b) the mountains just to the north of them c) back to the jungle d) to the chokepoint

(I say b. the mountains)

2, we do not let them past the chokepoint

(especially since if one did get past, he could skip over to the hills on the west coast and make contact with Lux, and since they have recognized our right to it)

3, I will give them a verbal and detailed description of the North Estonia, without giving away how we met GS, or luxuries, and will exaggerate about the number of hills and mountains. I won't mention the lake.

4. I will re-commit to our non-aggression stance.

5. I will ask the same of them - including pulling their warriors back to the same mountain chain.

6. And regarding tech trades - I figure we have three choices - and for that I have done a separate poll with the pros and cons as I see them.

Anything else we need to put in here?

I will do all the smiley chitchat stuff, and I will say we are still un discussions with our other neigbours.

[Beta]

You now need to respond to two posts. Jusr received this from Lux. Very friendly. They have put pottery on the table - so to speak.

I suggest we offer to trade ceremonial burial - it is a 20 beeker for 20 beeker deal. And we do right now.

As part of the same response - we should say what we are researching - ask them waht they are researching and see if we can reach some conclusions about future deals. This combined with the GS deal could really put us ahead (or maybe just keep us even with others elsewhere in the world who are doing the same thing.) Or, say Lux is researching Alphabet - it might help us in our GS decision.

AND NOW I SUGGEST - that the GS response get split into two - all the stuff but tech trades we respond right away. The other we get back after we have chatted a bit with Lux - for the reasons I have given above. It also forces them, GS, to waste a bit more research effort if they do change techs, as discussed in the poll.

[Beta]

HELLO!? OVER HERE! WE'RE LUX INVICTA!
Hi!~ Hope you can hear us well. We've been assigned to wait for the ones name Vox controli by our ancestors. It's good to see you guys. Let me just say how good it is to meet another civ named with Latin words. I already feel cordial.

Anyway Apocalypse has been away for awhile. As usual, I like to take charge on foreign diplomacy, so I am doing much of that for Apoc for now. We want to grow scientifically. So we offer to trade a technique we know as pottery, which is a wonderful skill that creates beautiful pots and bowls. We are currently using this skill mostly to store food for famine, but some have created an art out of this technique.

Is vox controli interested in a scientific trade? it doesn't necessarily have to be knowledge/skill you possess. I'm sure your continent values these rocks called gold or other valuable items. Name a valuable item you can present to us. We will try to reward you handsomely, if you can award us in the same way.

Feel free to discuss with your members. I'm sure we can create fruitful trade relationship in all in time to come!

[Beta]

Proposed response to Lux. Please comment or approve.

Greetings Calc II of Lux Invicta.

I am BetaHound of Vox Controli, the Voice of Foreign Afairs for my civilization. It was very good to hear from you - and yes - I can hear you just fine. It is a good thing that it is not too windy today. We too thought it a good omen to meet another Latin-named civ. Maybe there is more to this culturally-linked stuff than we know, eh.

To business. I have taken your proposal to The Controller and the Vox Senate. We are a compact civilization, and do not dilly dally on responses.

I have been directed to tell you that we are very interested in a technology trading arrangement. As we stated earlier in our bottle message, this would be a wonderful method to advance the knowledge of both our civilizations. We are on separate continents. I can see no reason why we would not want to work together to make both Lux and Vox technology leaders in this world.

To that end, I am authorized to say that we would like to offer knowledge of ceremonial burial in return for your knowledge of pottery. It allows you to honor your citizens as they pass into the next world, and may inspire you to build temples to remember their lives and their deaths. We have found our civilization, shall we say, spiritually enlightened, as a result of ceremonial burial.

We would also like to propose that we discuss extension of a more comprehensive tech reserach and trading arrangement. To this end, I am authorized to tell you that our scientists are well on their way to revealling the secrets of iron working. Perhaps you are on a similar path. Perhaps not. But if you see my point, we could effectively double our research immediately under such an arrangement. Lux would research one path - Vox another - and then when both are finished, we would trade.

I'm also sure that such an arrangement, and the trust that it would engender between our two civilizations, would soon carry over to trade and diplomatic alliances. I am sure that friendship, and all the mutual benefits it entails, will carry both of us far in this uncertain world.

Well, my dear Calc, I ramble. You should see what my poor colleagues back home have to put up with from me.

So, a simple response on the pottery for ceremonial trade will suffice, and then we can do the deal. If you are in agreement, whoever has the next move should put it on the table.

If you need more time to consider revealing your research path, and our offer for a future arrangement, please take your time. We are a patient people. And I can see where this may require discussion.

Please call whenever you would like to talk. Given our latin heritages, perhaps I should end this note with a phrase to honour this historic meeting and our first trade. (and my apologies for my poor latin).

Veni. Vidi. Visa.

(We came. We saw. We did business.)

Here's to more business in the future. May health and prosperity go with you and your people.

In Friendship,

BetaHound
Voice of Foreign Affairs
Vox Controli

[Jon Miller]

no to 3 (we want them not ot know our size, wy don't you connect it to the Lux continent, if you want to describe)

1b

for the techs, detail that we can get our hands on pottery, if they would like to trade for that more

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

it is a little informative, but go for it I say (in response to proposed letter to Lux)

Jon Miller