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  • #1

    What do we do?

    OK - I see 4 options.

    jon's vassal state option as outlined in Moves or the GS thread.

    A surrender where we give up substantial territory. ie the land south of Elipolis. This could be done in conjunction with a an 'exodus' like move to Legos minor.

    (this is the option I will propose to GS today)

    Exodus, as I have outlined in another thread.

    Continue fighting with significant support from the other civs. I know RP is committed. I suspect GoW will be too. I have written NeuD. And will be writing Lego a long letter today. Although I did chat with Nimitz last night.

    Ok - what do you think?
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    Vassal state
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    Surrender land
    37.50%
    3
    Exodus
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    War
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    Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.
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  • #2
    Yes, perform an exodus and (hopefully) end up with a two-part empire.
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    • #3
      no don't

      than we are at at least two people's mercy instead of one

      it leaves us less options

      yes exploration and growth anywhere possible (so yes build there)

      but don't give up any territory we currently have

      you can't build an empire without territory

      but sovereignty can be taken back instantly

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      • #4
        if we split and focus on the new land also, we will end up being a vassal of both lego and GS (the two best natinos)

        if we stay where we are, we are only a vassal of GS and we ahve evrything we have built so far

        if we leave, we have nothing and am a vassal of Lego

        I know what I think is best

        Jon Miller
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        • #5
          Jon :

          We shouldnt be simply vassals. We should offer all our efforts to let someone win the game(since we have no chance).

          I'd rather move to some area with good land in Legoland, build all the infranstructure from scratch with Lego's help and be complete allies with them helping them to win the game.

          We will definetely not help GS to win the game, so if we stay on Estonia we'll really be only vassals on a useless patch of land.
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          • #6
            So basically what I propose is that we should get an agreement with Lego, start with the Galley and Settler building, then raze everything we can to the ground to make sure GS gets nothing and depart.

            I'd rather see us die in the sea than be Vassals of GS.
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            • #7
              well my idea was to be vassals of GS until what time they were hurting form a fight, than stab them in the back

              but I guess we have not been to successful with stabs

              and GS will be concerned

              Jon Miller
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              • #8
                I concur with Eli - except let's not fall into the same situation that Trip did - razing everything before they had a new foothold on another landmass.
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                • #9
                  Yeah, let's prepare a nice set of defenses in Elipolis and all over our coasts, and in the meanwhile head for Lego.
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                  • #10
                    Oh, and if we turn over Dissidentville to GS, be sure to sell off the barracks and the temple (even though they wouldn't get the temple anyway, at least we can squeeze a few gold pieces out of the structure).
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                    • #11
                      Does Lego even knows about this?
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                      • #12
                        I believe that Beta mentioned that yes, they are aware of this. Now watch Lego set us up on a desert island.
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                        "One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996
                        "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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                        • #13
                          I am waiting to hear from vondrack about Legos minor. It is actually pretty good looking territory. You can see it on the world map.

                          I like the idea of a peace - we keep North Estonia - and set up shop in Legos minor. It looks like a long way away. But in a couple of techs it will be real close. It is actually just a few turns sail EAST from where we are. It might even be worth risking a galley to see if there is a sea crossing.

                          And I am not up for being vassals. Call it an emotional response - but GS bugs me enough that I would rather go out of the game fighting than do that. Now - if the plan was to be the quiet vassal state until we could stab them in the back again - then count me in.
                          Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                          • #14
                            yah

                            the plan was to stab them again when the opportunity presents itself (I want to still have a plan for global domination)

                            the thing is that we will be vassals of someone

                            emotions are against GS, but if we can keep the most territory that way.... (however, I don't know how much territory we can get from lego, also I am not sure how much time it would take to build up infrastructure)

                            I told GS that the deal that you sent them had not been completely agreed upon by Vox yet

                            Jon Miller
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                            • #15
                              I think I would rather keep fighting and leave

                              or become GSs Vassal

                              so the first oen maybe?

                              it could go for a long time, even though we will have to split our efforts

                              Jon Miller
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