850bc (86): Order, Results, Discussion

[Togas]

please note some of the changed orders from the last thread. Also note the new cities.

Plans: BOTH new cities (Leon & Toledo) are worker/settler factories, however Toledo should slip in a temple sooner rather than later to get our northern border expanded.

Madrid is now primary production. Will supply all spearmen for all of the settler factories as needed.

We are paying 8gpt to Vox and still have postive cash flow due to our new cities. This won't last for long as new units will drain the budget. Spain must keep up our REX. Pamplona will produce settlers every 6 turns. Let's start discussing where those Settlers should go.

--Togas

[roadcage]

850 bc public works

Arneleos begin mine at Toledo 15
(turn 1 of 12)
looking at Toledo, 4 turns in growth
with pop to hill tile 15 now 2 shield +4 food
worker produced on turn 7 start temple
turn 8 new worker moves to Toledo 6
turn 9 pop back to 2 new worker roads
turn 12 new worker joins Arneleos
turn 13 mine complete both road
turn 14 grows to 3
turn 16 city connected
17 temple complete
ready to REX

Ruby_Maser irri Vigo 9 (Santiago 16)
(turn 2 of 4)
Look ahead RM will irri a prev roaded Vigo tile

Visigoth irri Leon 4
(turn 2 of 4)
lookahead road in place
then irri other floodplain and road

Dijon & Astrologix s,e then mine
(turns 1,2 of 6)
lookahead begin road leon/newcity/Pamplona
new city conn turn 16
(Pamp settler will be there long before)

Yes we still need more workers!

Manuel de Leon

[LzPrst]

I have many points today.

First, we must rethink where to place our cities. We did not think cities could grow as large as Madrid is now at that time and did not plan for it. I belive we should have fewer cities than planned that can grow larger.

Second, my duties as governor of Vigo are inherently difficult as I receive news from around the city at best sporadically. I request a region-based national courier system sponsored by the state.
OOC a screenshot of Vigo every other turn would do nicely OOC

Finally, I must request that Vigo be supplied with a worker. If not I will build one. And I have no qualms disbanding parts of our coastal garrisons to achieve this....

[LzPrst]

Specifically a road and irrigation south of Vigo is sorely needed.

[ruby_maser]

Pamplona: will grow to size 5 this turn, please set the WFs up as shown below:

    #2, shielded grassland
    #7, cattle bonus
    #8, cattle bonus
    #19, shielded grassland
    [B]#20, grassland - new[/B]

Thanks.

PS: Might be nice to have #20 roaded eventually to get the commerce (and irrigated as well, though it will not improve the city's growth at this point). I will post this in the proper thread as well.

[astrologix]

Military orders

Watch Rider NE
GuObs if barbs at one tile far, then fight them (try to promote), else if at two tiles far, fortify him, else S
BCN Warrior N
First Rider if barbs, attack them (unless GuObs can do it instead). If not SE, E.

Madrid Exp Sw
Feos S
Bulgar moved E (to watch a bit the coast, Maybe Vox galleys...)

Jungle Patrol N

Madrid Spear moved W, W, SW (will escort the next Pamplona settler). Rename it Settler Guard.
Cuting Edge 3 nw (to its previous location, please read my statement at the 875 thread)
Coastal Guard B, unfortify and E (will join the Cutting Edge group). Rename it "Defense Group 1" or something like that)

Don Pelayo Astronicus


Barcelona : no changes

Don Pedro de la Alcantarilla

[GodKing]

IIRC, this turn is the last for Vigo to switch to a worker and not loose shields... I would recommend switching as I think a worker now will do much more for our civ (no matter which way we choose to play) than a temple in 21 turns (less if we get some more gold and spend it....)

[roadcage]

Strongly support Vigo worker. But as slave master, I am aware that I am somewhat biased.

[Togas]

Results
Our people want to build a Forbidden Palace. Maybe we should.

Vox needs horses and iron.
GS needs iron.

There are Iberian Tribes near Barcelona!

Militay Ave to Legoland, Strong to all others.

GoW has switched to the GREAT LIBRARY. Legoland is building the pyramids.

That punk Picahulu has survived the barbarian hordes

10 more turns on our 10gpt deal with Legoland.

military:
Madrid spear moves W, W, SW into Pamplona
Watch Rider NE
Madrid Exp SW
Cutting Edge 3 moves S, S and attacks barbarian horseman killing him w/o damage.
Cutting Edge 2 moves S, W, W to back up Cutting Edge 1 as there are two more barb horsemen threatening Pamplona.
Feocalvos S
Jungle Patrol N
GuObs SW, attacks barbarian, takes 1 damage
First Rider SE, S
BCN N (sees barbarian warrior to the east)
Bulger E
Coastal Guard "B" E

workers:
Arnelos MINE
Ruby & Dejon slaves move S, E, then MINE

cities:
Vigo kept at building temple. It has 11 sheilds stored up, switching to worker would waste sheilds. Worker added to build queue.

Pamplona WF moved to #20. Growth in 3, settler in 3.

Images posted HERE

--Togas

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by GodKing
IIRC, this turn is the last for Vigo to switch to a worker and not loose shields... I would recommend switching as I think a worker now will do much more for our civ (no matter which way we choose to play) than a temple in 21 turns (less if we get some more gold and spend it....)

About temples...

A temple in Vigo will expand the borders to the point that these two coastal guards are no more needed there to watch possible foreign ships coming to our land. I think that worths it.

Also a temple in Toledo (after the current worker) would give us the silk monopoly and make any ND attempt to settle a city near the silk a war declaration. Silk monopoly can prove very profitable for us...

Last but not least, please remember that we are engaged in a culuture war in the north, an that we need to keep our culture production to prevent our cities for flipping to the enemy side.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by LzPrst
I have many points today.

First, we must rethink where to place our cities. We did not think cities could grow as large as Madrid is now at that time and did not plan for it. I belive we should have fewer cities than planned that can grow larger.

Señor LzPrst, I prefer also to have less, bigger cities that can better show the glory of Spain. However, at this time our cities are small in size, and keeping enough room for all of them would be wasting land, which would result in Spain being outproduced by our competitors. It's ok to have our cities closer, but we must also be prepared to remove some of them and relocate their citizens in the far future when God blessing make them proper enough (OOC: poping settlers/workers from the city and adding them to nearer, best located cities once sanitation is discovered).

Second, my duties as governor of Vigo are inherently difficult as I receive news from around the city at best sporadically. I request a region-based national courier system sponsored by the state.
OOC a screenshot of Vigo every other turn would do nicely OOC

Go here for the most recen Vigo screenshot

http://www.arrakis.es/~oliverfa/Vigo.jpg

Finally, I must request that Vigo be supplied with a worker. If not I will build one. And I have no qualms disbanding parts of our coastal garrisons to achieve this....

With more workers planned, this seems a logic request.