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  • #16
    Very good treaty

    I suggest that our diplomats work on the best way to get the World Map of Lego (under Togas leadership). This information would be very useful to organize the best defense plans.
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    • #17
      I'd agree there, Senor Astrologix, as always.
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      • #18
        PM from Nimitz...

        From a PM from Nimitz on the 4th of April.

        Alliance Teaty (Draft)

        El tratado de defensa Hispano - Legolandico / Legoland - Spain Mutual Protection Treaty

        Article I
        Defenition of the territory

        The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Saragossa (as of Turn 84).

        The territory of Legoland is defined as all land on Legos Major & Legos Minor, that is all land reachable by foot units using no vessels from Legopolis, the capital city of Legoland (as of Turn 84).




        Article II
        Redefinition of the territory

        Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

        The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:

        New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;

        New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;

        New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in any way;

        Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


        Article III
        Causes that activate the alliance


        If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the settling nation, that they claim those lands, both the offended party and the other party in the treaty will declare war on the settling nation, if the party that claims these land requests this, unless the alliance can persuade the settling nation from either evacuating or handing the settlement over to the alliance member whose territory is occupied, or retreat in any other way.


        If any violation of the territorial integrity of the territory of either party, as defined in Article I, is being conducted, both parties will declare war on the atacking nation, if the attacked party requests this.



        Article IV
        Non-settlement & Non-agression ageement

        Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to be his as stated in Article I. Also neither party shall declae war on the other.



        Article V
        Duration of the Treaty

        The Treaty shall have a lenth of 20 turns. It shall be effective from 900 BC (turn nr. 84) and expire in 270 BC(on turn nr. 114).

        The Treaty can after this period be extended for an amount of turns that is about to be defined by the parties.

        The Treaty can only be extended upon the agreement of the both parties.



        Article VI
        Lapse of the Treaty

        This Treaty will immediately lapse if one of the parties does not adhere to the terms in this Treaty.



        Article VII
        Alterations on the Treaty

        Any statement in the Treaty can be altered, save for the Duration of the Treaty, as stated in Article V, the way of aid that the parties have agreed to provide in case the alliance is being activated, as stated in Article III and the lapse of the Treaty as stated in Article VI, upon the agreement of the both parties.



        Article VIII
        Settlement of any war

        Since both parties will declare war at the exact same time on any invading party, both parties will commit themselves to end the war at the same time. No separate peace treaties shall be made.

        ------------------------------------------------------------------------

        This is not aproved yet we will wait to see if you make any changes then will vote on it. The changed stuff is bolded.
        I propose that we ask if Legoland want s to increase the duration of the treaty and that we request that the treaty activates at a new turn and not 84 which has passed by already.

        Aidun Cian the older

        Instant royal diplomat.
        "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
        Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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        • #19
          Article VI needs to be rewritten. Suggestions? Instead of just having it lapse, we need to be clear that if a party does not follow through with the treaty, there will be consequences.

          Let's kill Article VII. I don't want to add confusion about what can and can't be altered. We can, in fact, alter anything if both parties agree.

          --Togas
          Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
          Member of the Mercenary Team in the Civ 4 Team Democracy Game.
          Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
          Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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          • #20
            This is a great thing. A MPP with a Civ that is not on our Continent. I have been trying to find out where Legoland is, alas it is escaping me?!

            This may be the first trans-oceanic Treaty in existance!

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            • #21
              OK, we've sat on this long enough. Let's chat with Legoland TODAY and get this thing finalized. The last key element to be negotiated is a WM or TM trade. The other changes I proposed are cosmetic and won't be an issue. Start date will be the year we sign it.

              Catch me in chat if you have questions.

              --Togas
              Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
              Member of the Mercenary Team in the Civ 4 Team Democracy Game.
              Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
              Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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              • #22
                The final proposal for the treaty has been sent to Nimitz, yesterday at about 23:30 GMT.

                Aidun Cian the older

                Instant Diplomat of High King Augusto Togas
                "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                • #23
                  The following is a draft treaty:
                  This treaty is an altered version of Aidun's old treaty.

                  El tratado de defensa Hispano - Legolandico / Legoland - Spain Mutual Protection Treaty

                  Article I
                  Definition of the territory

                  The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Toledo.

                  The territory of Legoland is defined as all land on Legos Major.

                  Article II
                  Redefinition of the territory

                  Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

                  The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:

                  New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;

                  New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;

                  New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in any way;

                  Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


                  Article III
                  Causes that activate the alliance

                  If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the settling nation, that they claim those lands, both the offended party and the other party in the treaty will declare war on the settling nation, if the party that claims these land requests this, unless the alliance can persuade the settling nation from either evacuating or handing the settlement over to the alliance member whose territory is occupied, or retreat in any other way.

                  If any violation of the territorial integrity of the territory of either party, as defined in Article I, is being conducted, both parties will declare war on the atacking nation, if the attacked party requests this.


                  Article IV
                  Non-settlement & Non-agression ageement

                  Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to be his as stated in Article I. Neither party shall enter the claimed territory of the other party without prior approval. Also neither party shall declare war on the other.


                  Article V
                  Duration of the Treaty

                  The Treaty shall have a lenth of 30 turns. It shall be effective from 70 BC (turn nr. 124) and expire in (Please fill this in)

                  The Treaty may be extended for any amount of turns upon the agreement of both parties.


                  Article VI
                  Settlement of any war

                  Since both parties will declare war at the exact same time on any invading party, both parties will commit themselves to end the war at the same time. No separate peace treaties shall be made.
                  Last edited by Togas; July 10, 2003, 21:54.
                  Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
                  Member of the Mercenary Team in the Civ 4 Team Democracy Game.
                  Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
                  Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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                  • #24
                    Aye, well, it looks good to me. Let's get the thing signed as soon as possible, preferably before the next turn, so that if those Arabs try anything, they in trouble, eh, what?
                    Empire growing,
                    Pleasures flowing,
                    Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                    • #25
                      Nice draft Togas, I'll send it to him.

                      Aidun
                      "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                      Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                      • #26
                        Brilliant work
                        Diplogamer formerly known as LzPrst

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                        • #27
                          Great job...

                          However, I think we should keep this TOP SECRET. If GoW+ND knew that we thought they were going to attack us, they'd go bonkers and both our plans could be royally screwed.
                          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                          • #28
                            I really like it. Legoland will go for the whole "we won't want people landing on Legos Major" I hope.

                            Let's try it and see what they say.
                            Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
                            Consul of Apolyton from the 1st Civ3 Inter-Site Democracy Game (ISDG)
                            7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy Game

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                            • #29
                              Let's hope they respond immediately. Pray, my friends, for a favorable wind to carry Lord Cian over the oceans.

                              Lord Toledo
                              Empire growing,
                              Pleasures flowing,
                              Fortune smiles and so should you.

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