Expansion Plan Discussion

[DAVOUT]

I like Astrologix proposal, provided it does not prevent Madrid to grow up to 7.

To mrmitchell : I am afraid that the Watcher could think that you are refusing to positively cooperate. From that to opposition or worse ...

[astrologix]

Originally posted by ruby_maser


All mine got flushed with that accursed harbor project, but I'll try. Barcelona would build its first Settler next turn. Pamplona (a gimme) will build its in 6. Madrid is going to build one in approximately 7. Thats a total of 3 in 7 turns... not 22.

oh,

I think we've already talk about the interest to let Barcelona build its granary before the settler. It can seem long, but the benefits will be great. So, for me all in all, I prefer the current Barcelona production to stay as it is.

If we found Temp City with the Pamplona's settler, we will have a huge settler production starting in 22 turns, with a great potential for the coming times. Finally, the next Madrid settler will found his spicy city in about 15 turns. But, don't forget that the more the cities will be found far from Madrid, the more they will be corrupted.

So the choice is, what is the more interesting thing ? : to found distant corrupted cities, or to have cities close to Madrid with a great production potential ?

I don't have the last word myself.

If it was my own game, I would choose the first solution.

I let the people of Spain, and specially our Great Despot, to choose the best way for our country

[astrologix]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
I like Astrologix proposal, provided it does not prevent Madrid to grow up to 7.

Under monarchy, Madrid will be grow up to 8, maybe 9. But it needs more calculations made...

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by astrologix
I think we've already talk about the interest to let Barcelona build its granary before the settler. It can seem long, but the benefits will be great.

Great for Barcelona... and I assume you mean the Harbor. It is only in fairness to the cities we delay (that could be contributing far sooner) and the Spanish empire as a whole that I object.

So the choice is, what is the more interesting thing ? : to found distant corrupted cities, or to have cities close to Madrid with a great production potential ?
I don't have the last word myself.

I would argue that, as much as I hate corrupt cities, the other teams would be willing to put in far more corrupt cities (now that they have the option) in order to deny us land, luxuries, or resources. I haven't run any figures concerning your Temp City though. On a whole, I like the idea 50 turns ago. I now think we have to balance that desire with the need to appear as a stronger presence in the south than what we truly are.

And since the Great Lord generally has a hands-off policy with his cities in favor their governors' opinions, I'm not sure who you think is in charge.

[Togas]

My thoughts and questions:

Thoughts: Spain needs to both establish high-growth cities AND it needs to settle the spice and ivory lux territories to deny any other nation from getting to them.

Furthermore, Spain needs cities that can produce Settlers ... as we have seen only 2 of our cities are viable settler factories, and I hate relegating Pamplona with the job of settling the whole of Spain. New birthing cities must be made.

I am still in love with the floodplain city, which will be EVEN BETTER under a Monarchy. I want that city built. If nothing else, it will be an ideal worker pump.

I am enthralled with this new hilltop city and I will sign off on the project if I can be assured that it's presence will not stunt Madrid's growth, and will not add to the corruption of Pamplona and Saragossa.

Questions: If we build this new city, where does it go in our build queue? 1st, 2nd, 3rd?

Can this new city be productive w/o a granary?

--Togas

[E_T]

Togas, I'm aware of your general dislike for Granaries from the SPDG, but there are times that you really need them and this is one of them. People, we do have a lot of terratory still to be settled and Pamplona can't do it alone. We also need to have workers built. We need to increase our porduction bandwidth if we are to keep up with our northern neighbors. And we are running out of time. Even though that city will push back the corruption of all of the other cities, we are going to be changing to Monarchy very soon.

I think that we need to look at if we can afford to wait for this new settler city to be built either now or later (i.e. more cities sooner or more workers sooner). I'm of the opinion that that city northwest of Madrid be the next city to be built and that it needs to be building a granary first.

E_T

[Togas]

E_T,

Your opinion on these matters is very influential. How strongly do you back this new city plan?

Presently, I would like to see the first Pamplona settler go to Floodplain City, and our first Madrid settler go to this new site.

--Togas

[Togas]

I have posted my preliminary expansion plans on my Spain page, you may go there, view them, and post your criticism here.

--Togas

[OliverFA]

What about the Pyramids? This wonder could help us a lot because we don't have any granary and lots of cities (and we are supposed to have even more).

Just throwing an idea for discussion.

[GodKing]

We should start on wonders soon, and the pyramids are a good one to have.

[MrWhereItsAt]

But do we have anywhere that is established enough and with enough production to be able to build a Wonder?

[Togas]

I have changed my mind about our next settlers ...

Great valor and courage was shown by Fernand de History Guy Calamari during the recent uprisings in Spain. He, along with many of the great nobles of Spain defended the nation as well and kept the peace. In my discussions with the nobles after the coronation it was determined that there was no land to grant Fernand, so I have ordered that new lands be taken from wild to give to him.

A city shall be founded to the north of Madrid. (N,N,NW,NW) and this fiefdom shall be given to Duke Calamari to rule over. Due to his bravery and unquestioned loyalty, I wish to keep him close to Madrid, so that he may be quickly called upon in the future.

This city shall be given priority. This city also needs a name. I ask Duke Calamari to consult his history books (and the Spanish members of the team) for a name for this site.

--Togas

[pikesfan]

What’s the name of one of the big suburbs of Madrid?

[OliverFA]

I think that Alcalá is themost famous Madrid suburb (at least to my memory) but if the primary mission of that city is to pop settlers it should be called Sodoma

[astrologix]

If the mission is to pump out settlers, I'm sorry to say that the best site is NW, NW, NW of Madrid, because it has a hill on its primary radius. With a granary, this city can build a settler every 10 turns.

The site choosen by our King don't has that hill, but a forrest instead. It will need a granary + a temple to build the settlers at the same rate. The other consequence is that with this city founded, the originary "Temp City" becomes useless, since the wheat tile will be used by the "Calamari city".

As a result, we will have some tiles unused until Madrid becomes greater than 12 pop size.

Please reconsider that decision....