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**E_T** · March 9, 2003, 10:17

password is "talks". all lower case...

E_T

**E_T** · March 9, 2003, 13:09

Chat is over, I'll post the log soon

E_T

**E_T** · March 9, 2003, 14:20

Chat Log Part 1 of 2

Session Start: Sun Mar 09 08:59:35 2003
Session Ident: #GoW/Rp
[08:59] * Now talking in #GoW/Rp
[08:59] * Retrieving #GoW/Rp info...
[08:59] [E_T> NW make me op
[09:00] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> This is much better that 6 frigging chat windows
[09:00] * NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o E_T
[09:00] * Donegeal has joined #GoW/Rp
[09:00] * E_T sets mode: +k talks
[09:00] * NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o GhengisFarb[GoW]
[09:00] * NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o Donegeal
[09:00] * E_T sets mode: +p
[09:00] [NuclearisWinterius> shouldn´t we +s?
[09:00] * Donegeal is now known as [GoW]Donegeal
[09:00] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> What's that mean?
[09:00] [E_T> anyone who needs to be in here, let them know that the password is talks
[09:00] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> Ok
[09:01] [[GoW]Donegeal> hello guys
[09:01] [NuclearisWinterius> Hello Señor!
[09:01] [E_T> they will have to type "/join #GoW/Rp talks" to get in
[09:02] [NuclearisWinterius> So cam we start now?
[09:03] [E_T> I'm ready, or you want us to announce this chat in our forums?
[09:03] [E_T> so, what extra did you get from Lego?
[09:06] * [GoW]Donegeal slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:06] [[GoW]Donegeal> GF!!! Hello?!?!?!
[09:06] [E_T> can I join in??
[09:06] * E_T slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:06] [E_T> hehe
[09:07] [[GoW]Donegeal> um... sure
[09:07] * E_T slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:07] [[GoW]Donegeal> just remember, that after a while, he is going to eat those trout.
[09:07] [E_T> let's all slap him around......

[09:07] * NuclearisWinterius throws rocks at him
[09:07] * [GoW]Donegeal slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:07] * NuclearisWinterius uses the Atomic trout (mass slapping)
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] * NuclearisWinterius slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:08] [[GoW]Donegeal> oh my...
[09:08] * E_T does nasty things to GF's leaderheads....
[09:08] [NuclearisWinterius> ewww e_T
[09:08] [NuclearisWinterius> this is....

[09:08] [[GoW]Donegeal> ahh.... Breasta...
[09:09] [E_T> just trying to get a good responce.....
[09:09] * E_T slaps GhengisFarb[GoW] around a bit with a large trout
[09:09] [[GoW]Donegeal> hold on... I'm going to check on something...
[09:10] [E_T> different than just trout slapping
[09:10] [E_T> I hope wwe didn't knock him out
[09:11] * E_T throws water on GF
[09:11] [[GoW]Donegeal> Um... I guess I'm it for awhile...
[09:11] [E_T> so, what's the big new??
[09:11] * [GoW]Donegeal tags Nucleariswinter
[09:11] [[GoW]Donegeal> your it!
[09:12] [[GoW]Donegeal> ok... enough of the fun.
[09:12] [E_T> GFG said something a bout some extra stuff, so what is extra??
[09:12] [E_T> *GF
[09:12] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> Sorry, was pming Vondrak
[09:12] [[GoW]Donegeal> Just remember that as i am not in operating in an official .... ok, good...
[09:12] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> Lego had aquired Philosophy from a Booty Hut
[09:13] [E_T> Booty hut....

[09:13] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> Hot_ENamel is trying to join but isn't using Mirc
[09:14] [E_T> tell hin to type "/join #GoW/Rp talks
[09:14] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> Booty Hut- gimmee something for free, sweetie
[09:14] [[GoW]Donegeal> it might be easier if you remove the password for a sec...
[09:14] * E_T sets mode: -k talks
[09:14] [E_T> done
[09:14] * E_T sets mode: -p
[09:15] [E_T> tell him to hurry...
[09:15] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> okay
[09:16] * E_T wistles tunelessly.....
[09:17] * E_T is finally awake and is now wanting a cigarette??
[09:18] * GhengisFarb[GoW] is now known as [GoW]GhengisFarb
[09:18] * HotEnamel has joined #GoW/Rp
[09:18] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Hot Enam says it keeps asking him for a key
[09:18] [E_T> so they have Philosphy. Are you all in the process of trading them for it??
[09:18] [HotEnamel> Reboot did it
[09:19] * E_T sets mode: +k talks
[09:19] * E_T sets mode: +p
[09:19] * E_T sets mode: +o HotEnamel
[09:19] * HotEnamel is now known as [GoW]Hot_Enamel
[09:19] [[GoW]Donegeal> ok... what is on the agenda?
[09:19] [E_T> using Java chat??
[09:20] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> mIRC
[09:20] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I am, what tech is Rp researching now?
[09:20] [E_T> Philosophy, IIIRC
[09:20] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> You guys are researching Philosophy? I thought you were researching Polytheism
[09:21] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Is everyone researching Philosophy?, GS is and I'm about 90% sure Vox is also.
[09:22] [E_T> no we aren't
[09:22] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> No you aren't researching Philosophy, or no not Polytheism?
[09:23] [E_T> IIRC (i'm still looking for that info) we are working on poly
[09:23] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Good, that leaves Vox and GS researching it, which we could be really mean and not let either one know we have it already .........
[09:24] [[GoW]GhengisFarb>

[09:24] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> I already told GS

[09:24] [E_T> have you had problems communicating with VoX
[09:24] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> Grrrr Vox
[09:24] [E_T> I take that as a yes
[09:24] [E_T>

[09:25] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Vox, the new but unimproved Lux
[09:25] [NuclearisWinterius> yeah
[09:25] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> I thought Lux was bad ...
[09:25] [NuclearisWinterius> they seem very un diplomatic
[09:25] [E_T> atleast they don't have a Trip at the helm of the team
[09:25] [[GoW]Donegeal> yes but then they are at least not as outright antagonistic
[09:25] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I guess its nice to have a brainless unstrategically capable civ to poke fun at.
[09:25] [E_T> don't forget, they are the smallest team
[09:26] [E_T> Have you taken any Lux Refugees in yet?
[09:26] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> And are 1 ocean tile from GoW territory with a bunch of immortals
[09:26] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Nope, they all despise us
[09:27] [[GoW]Donegeal> ...and they still fear ND...
[09:27] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> Fear ND
[09:27] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> True with those early UU's I'm amazed Vox and GS never went to war
[09:28] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> I cant get any Info out of GS regarding that
[09:28] [E_T> we got 1 so far, CiverDan. He's RPing it that his father was killed and his family has emigrated to Spain and he was too young to know about any information from Lux....
[09:28] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> holy crap[ what if GS and Vox have a deal to settle their contient and then joint trigger their GAs to outproduce us?
[09:28] [E_T> he's being very closemouthed....
[09:29] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> I think the same ... I think GS & Vox are very close
[09:29] [E_T> All we know about them is from what the Mil Advisor tells us
[09:29] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> I think GS was in on the deal to transfer Lux over
[09:30] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> And Vox gave them some $$$
[09:30] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> My little thought about a joint GA trigger sounds like something GS would do.
[09:30] [E_T> oh, GF, did Togas get with you about getting embassies with bothe Vox & GS and sharing the cost and screenshots with you??
[09:30] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I suggested it to him yesterday
[09:31] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Has he mentioned the Joint Military maneuvers in your forum?
[09:32] [E_T> He was telling us, but you had left before he had desided to get that in writing, so to say...
[09:32] [E_T> about the embassy things
[09:32] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I was sleepy, does your team seem interested in it?
[09:33] [E_T> we are still discussing the maneuvers in the forum
[09:34] [E_T> the embassy thing, yes. From what I was lead to beleave, you would gift us 1/2 the cost, we get the embassies and send you the screen shots
[09:35] [E_T> that way, we also reserve the right to ask you to get an embassy with them at a future date, and we'll pay 1/2 the cost then, too
[09:35] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I think the best way is for your team to send a couple of Elite Horsemen into Luxia and we send some Elite Horsemen to that area north of Madrid as the Horsemen move faster that the warriors
[09:35] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Actually, I was thinking you establish an embssy with Gs and we with Vox and then trade screen shots
[09:36] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> We establish withthe closest (ie cheapest) capitals
[09:37] [E_T> that could work.. depends on the costs.... I currently don't have the save up and have 1.21f running right now. Will the embassy costs be different in the 2 versions??
[09:37] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Don't know
[09:38] [E_T> pulling up the 1375BC save (latest I have)
[09:39] [[GoW]Donegeal> I'll do the same with ours to compare...
[09:39] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> Embassy thing - Can each team request future investigation of cities...(and pay for it)
[09:39] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> You cna always pay for a view at any city of a civ you have an embassy with.
[09:40] [E_T> for us, and embassy with Vox is 50G and GS, 41G
[09:40] [E_T> only if that city is on your map
[09:41] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> If RP has an embassy, and GoW doesnt...can we ask RP to investigate a city for us ?
[09:41] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> (Assuming the 1 embassy each plan)
[09:42] [E_T> the reason that we were looking at doing the 1/2 price thing, is it would likely be cheaper for us to do it the first time
[09:42] [E_T> what city?
[09:42] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> None in mind...Just curious on the specifics of the deal
[09:43] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> was it just embassy shots...or did it include investigations on demand at a future date
[09:43] [E_T> IF you can see a city in the FoW AND you have an embassy, you can do an Investigate city...
[09:44] [E_T> mostly embassy shots, atleast until we get maps from them
[09:44] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> No Probs ..
[09:44] [[GoW]Donegeal> Back...the cost is 42 gold for us to establish an embasy in Vox.
[09:45] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> So with Philosophy, that leaves, Construction, Poly, and Currency to get us to the next age
[09:45] [E_T> as we have no idea as to when we might get maps from them, it's better to deal with what you CAN do now than what you might do later, IMHO
[09:45] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> Gentlemen...its 1.45am in Oz... I gotta go to bed
[09:45] [E_T> Donegal, is it 51 for GS??
[09:46] [E_T> night
[09:46] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> cya
[09:46] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> You are going to bed?
[09:46] [[GoW]Donegeal> Later HE
[09:46] [[GoW]Hot_Enamel> Bed yes
[09:46] [NuclearisWinterius> see ya
[09:46] [E_T> but before you go...
[09:46] * [GoW]Hot_Enamel has quit IRC (Quit: )
[09:46] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Good Night
[09:46] [E_T> too late....
[09:46] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> toolate
[09:47] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> hehe
[09:47] * E_T slaps E_T around a bit with a large trout
[09:47] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> lego seems to think ND is becoming a significant threat
[09:47] [E_T> so, do you have Philosophy now or are you still negotiating for it??
[09:48] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> We get it next turn.
[09:48] [E_T> they have been closely watching the scores and are concerned
[09:49] [E_T> Partly for themselves (before contact) and partly for their new trade partners
[09:50] [[GoW]Donegeal> well ND is a concern... I think the only thing holding them in check is good relations between us.
[09:50] [E_T> at the moment....
[09:50] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> True, which is built on us sucking up and be the happy little vassals......
[09:50] [[GoW]Donegeal> I think you forgot the evil grin thing ET...
[09:50] [E_T> but that won't last, trust me
[09:51] [[GoW]Donegeal> I think ND is going to try to make real nice to lego.... and use them to attack one of us via sea...
[09:51] [E_T> we are watching them go back to Rapid Rex and I'm very concerned with their future production capability
[09:52] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> They are expanding like crazy now.
[09:53] [[GoW]Donegeal> hmmm... I just noticed that they must have founded two cities in the last few turns...
[09:54] [E_T> yep, we've been watching somewhat (that we can see right now) and We have had people that have been more concerned with our military comparicon to ND at this point in time and not the future capabilities
[09:54] [[GoW]Donegeal> and they are still comming north!!!
[09:54] * [GoW]Donegeal steams.
[09:54] [E_T> and unfortunately, they have been more vocal and have spread panic through the team
[09:55] [[GoW]Donegeal> what have they been saying?
[09:55] [E_T> they have the capability to move east, but they don't seem too want to right now
[09:56] [[GoW]Donegeal> um... I guess my question was a bit straight forward...give me a sec to cover it up with something...
[09:56] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> They don't seem to be colonizing the pop supporing sites, but going for the shield producing sites
[09:56] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Which can only support one strategy
[09:56] [E_T> panicy posts.... ND will do this, ND will do that, we need this NOW or ND will do this to us... that kind of thing
[09:57] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> They may be proven correct, however.
[09:57] [[GoW]Donegeal> seems kinda threatening...
[09:57] [E_T> if you grow at a proper rate, then your porduction will grow with that, too
[09:58] [[GoW]Donegeal> if you look at ND position, they have little choice but to go for the shield cities...
[09:58] [E_T> you make a balance, not go full REX or full Defense, but use both... some of them didn't realize that
[09:59] [[GoW]Donegeal> ... and in ND case... full offense!
[10:00] [NuclearisWinterius> wich place are them on score?
[10:00] [E_T> At the time of the Lux War, I suspect that these Swords were the only ones (upgrades) and they really didn't have too much productiuon capability
[10:01] [E_T> Our Embassy with them showed that they were still REXing and didn;t have too good of a production base at the capitol
[10:02] [E_T> part of our problem has been logistics and the terrain that we have to deal with
[10:03] [[GoW]Donegeal> I can only imagine the logistical problems you are having...
[10:03] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> You are just do far away from the norhtern civs
[10:04] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> My concern is the position of Vox and GS. If they are on a crowded island we may soon see them ploppin down setters on Big Bob
[10:04] [E_T> You'll understand a bit more when you get our map next turn
[10:04] [[GoW]Donegeal> so when is this garment guy comming? this toga guy?
[10:05] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Yeah, you will see how little space there is up north
[10:05] [E_T> Togas, no telling. He might not be on until much later
[10:05] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> He should be he said he had today off.
[10:05] [[GoW]Donegeal> crap....
[10:06] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> We were going to try to get GodKing inot a Moo3 game today
[10:06] [E_T> 4 just to let you know, as of the 1375BC save, it will be about 14 turns until we get Poly Researched
[10:07] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Maybe we should let GS and Vox waste their beakers on Philosophy awhile?
[10:07] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Although GS knows we have it now
[10:07] [E_T> sounds like a plan, especially if they don't want to communicate
[10:07] [E_T> how do they know?
[10:08] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm all about an embargo against them if they don't open up more, I fell fairly confident we can get ND to agree to that.
[10:08] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Although there is the Sir Ralph factor now
[10:09] [[GoW]Donegeal> gotta go guys...
[10:09] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Adios
[10:09] [[GoW]Donegeal> good luck with the deal GF!
[10:09] [[GoW]Donegeal> bye!
[10:09] * [GoW]Donegeal has quit IRC (Quit: )
[10:10] [E_T> I'll let Togas know about Philosophy and the change in the Embassy deal. Let's not do the embassies until that part get;s formally agreeded on
[10:11] [NuclearisWinterius> well, ill hav to leave
[10:11] [NuclearisWinterius> until later folks
[10:11] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Bye
[10:12] * E_T is going to have my first cigarette of the day now, back in 10....
[10:12] * NuclearisWinterius has quit IRC (Quit: )
[10:19] [E_T> ah, nicotine....

Continued in part 2

**E_T** · March 9, 2003, 14:22

Chat Log Part 2 of 2

[10:30] * adaMada42 has joined #GoW/RP
[10:30] [adaMada42> 01hello
[10:31] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Hey Ada
[10:31] [adaMada42> 01Hey Ghengis
[10:31] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> You have that 1 again, I need to make your team to agree to give us gold and take a snapshot
[10:32] [adaMada42> 01I'm guessing I missed the bulk of the meeting -- was anything decided?
[10:32] [adaMada42> 01lol
[10:32] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> no meeting yet
[10:32] [adaMada42> 01oh, ok
[10:32] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Just me, ET, and Nuclear Winterus (and Hot Enamel and Donegeal)
[10:33] [adaMada42> 01oh, ok
[10:33] [adaMada42> 01it sounded like more people had come from a post made on the forums
[10:33] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I figure it will have to be you or Togas to make an official deal
[10:33] [E_T> they will be getting Philosophy from Lego shortly and are offering it to us as a trade
[10:33] [adaMada42> 01Yep, I know
[10:33] [adaMada42> 01and also Lego contact
[10:33] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> And contact with Lego
[10:33] * E_T sets mode: +o adaMada42
[10:33] [adaMada42> 01Ghengis, I think Panzer said that we already ahve a map - map trade set up... is that right?
[10:34] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Yep, we traded Lit and wm for Map and wm
[10:34] [adaMada42> 01oh, ok
[10:34] [adaMada42> 01Sounds good to me

[10:34] [E_T> he and togas hammered that out yesterday, IIRC, GoW gives MM & WM and we give Lit & WM, that correct GF?
[10:34] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> yep
[10:35] [E_T> Togas was talking to them about getting Embassy screenshots with Vox and GS
[10:35] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> We should have scheduled chat times to periodically discuss upcoming events and treaties
[10:36] [E_T> GF and I have "unofficially" decided to for us to get GS's (40G) and them to get Vox's (41G) and trade the screenshots
[10:37] [adaMada42> 01Sounds like a good plan -- no reason for us to spend and get both
[10:37] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Yes and they are the cheapest for each of u
[10:37] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> us
[10:38] [E_T> we had discussed them gifting us 1/2 and us getting both, but this works out somewhat
[10:39] * Pikesfan has joined #GoW/Rp
[10:39] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Hey Pike
[10:39] [Pikesfan> Hello
[10:39] [Pikesfan> Just blundered in
[10:40] [E_T> hello
[10:40] * E_T sets mode: +o Pikesfan
[10:41] [Pikesfan> Has everything happened? Have decisions been made?
[10:43] [E_T> not really, GoW is working on getting Philosphy from Lego and we are looking at that for a future deal...
[10:43] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> No nothing yet
[10:44] [E_T> What have you traded Lego sofar?
[10:44] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Vox is trying to trade us Literature for Mapmaking
[10:44] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> We are bringing them up to speed with the rest of us techwise, in return for the exclusive rights to trade contact with them and Philosophy
[10:46] [E_T> We offered them Lit for several turns, but the got it from GS
[10:48] [Pikesfan> Lego must have been surprised to hear from you. I got the impression they thought they were off on a continent very far away from everybody else.
[10:48] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> offered who Lit? Vox
[10:49] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> One of our galleys met one of their galleys
[10:50] [Pikesfan> And you didn't have an arrow battle

[10:51] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Met, not attacked.

[10:54] [E_T> GS got Lit from us, then sold it to Vox before we could. But we offered it to them at the same time... go figure
[10:55] [E_T> we are having major comunications problems with Vox. they can atleast let us know that they don't even want to deal at this time....
[10:55] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Yeah, I don't hold civs that don't do their own research in very high regards
[10:56] [adaMada42> 01yea, well, I don't think any of us were deeply in love with Lux, but what Vox did was sorta slimy too...
[10:56] [E_T> GS really hasn't been very forthcoming, either...
[10:56] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I think we can think of GS and Vox and the the same team
[10:57] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> They appear to be working together and trading techs to the other for free.
[10:57] [E_T> I wouldn't have even done that for Lux, but that's me. Lux didn't play very smart and they payed the price
[10:58] [adaMada42> 01E_T, I agree, but I wouldn't want to have Vox guarding my back either...
[10:58] [adaMada42> 01They haven't shown themselves to be an especially honorable team
[10:58] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I think they gave Lux a city they could easily take back in return for all of Lux's gold and tech, then split the money with GS and took the city back.
[10:58] [adaMada42> 01Though you are right, Lux was quite stupid as well
[10:59] [adaMada42> 01Why do you think they split the cash with GS?
[10:59] [adaMada42> 01What was GS's role in the whole thing?
[10:59] [Pikesfan> I guess the lesson with that is "be suspicious if someone is willing to sell you a city"
[10:59] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> They said they shared the gold from Lux with another civ and it wasn't Gow or Nd, which means it was either Rp or GS
[11:00] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Did you get any gold from Vox?
[11:00] [E_T> the strange thing is that apparently, Lux didn't get a free defender with the city gift
[11:00] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> No, in civ 3 you do not get a free defender with the gift of a city
[11:01] [adaMada42> 01nope, must've been GS... but why would Vox split the gold?
[11:01] [E_T> we didn;t get skwat from Vox in the way of gold
[11:01] [adaMada42> 01I doubt it was out of the goodness of their hearts
[11:01] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I THINK Vox and GS have an alliance.
[11:01] [adaMada42> 01Hell, if we'd gotten gold from Vox, we might not be so worried about how they don't seen to want to talk to us

[11:01] [adaMada42> 01really? It'd be nice to find out for sure what's between them...
[11:02] [E_T> tech alliance, certainly not a military one
[11:02] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Have you not seen how only one of them makes a good offer for a tech and then the other one magically gets it the next turn?
[11:02] [adaMada42> 01Honestly, I haven't been watching, but it doesn't supprise me
[11:02] [E_T> yep, we are going to start to put timelimits on resales with them
[11:02] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> And I thing there is a strong possiblity they will have a fake war and use their UUs to trigger joint GAs once they have their continent settled
[11:03] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> It is a very good strategy.
[11:03] [adaMada42> 01but I'd love to know the full wording of that agreement -- I mean, Vox made a profitable deal, and they GIFTED half of the cash to their ally... what sort of terms would that alliance have to have?
[11:03] [E_T> possible, but they will wait until they got to either monarchy or republic for that
[11:03] [adaMada42> 01we're not talking about sharing tech, but sharing actual cash that came in from the outside
[11:04] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I am suprised they haven't been doing the warrior exchange to rush all of the WOnders, or maybye they have and simply haven't generated a GL yet.
[11:05] [adaMada42> 01warriors aren't that cheep, and they might prefer to put their energy into expanding...
[11:05] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Yes, but for a one in fifteen shot at a WOnder it would make a lot of sense to do so.
[11:06] [adaMada42> 01true,b ut they might always be planning to do it later
[11:06] [adaMada42> 01will we be able to tell if they're at war once we've got an embassy with either of em?
[11:06] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Which is why we should start before them and hog all the Wonders.
[11:07] [E_T> you can't hog all of the wonders, bucause of cascade....
[11:08] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> ?
[11:08] [adaMada42> 01it's an interesting idea, but my personal worry is that the energy that'd go into that would allow ND to out-expand and out-develop us...
[11:09] [E_T> if you have the tech, and you start to build, say Pyramids and someone beats you to it, then you can change to something else
[11:09] [E_T> and likely get that one before someone else
[11:09] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> I would think one wonder and then an Army. An Army would make a formidible force against ND
[11:10] [adaMada42> 01true, but that could be up to thirty warriors each
[11:10] [adaMada42> 01three hundred shields if I remember one warrior per ten shields correctly...
[11:11] [adaMada42> 01it'd be a massive committment
[11:11] [E_T> and then 40G each to upgrade....
[11:11] [adaMada42> 01that's not to say that there aren't very positive aspects of the deal too...
[11:11] [adaMada42> 01just that there are other factors to consider
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[11:11] [OliverFA> Hola señores
[11:12] [adaMada42> 01hola oliver
[11:12] [adaMada42> 01*oliverfa
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[11:12] [adaMada42> 01sorry bout that
[11:12] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> ? One warrior cost 10 shields, If you generate a GL and use him for an Army you have a defensive stack of 3 spearman that even if one loses all hit point it will still exist to heal as long as one of the other two remaing alive.
[11:12] * E_T sets mode: +o adaMada42
[11:12] * E_T sets mode: +o OliverFA
[11:13] [OliverFA> Thanks E_T!
[11:13] [adaMada42> 01Ghengis, I understand that, and don't get me wrong -- one army is far more valuable than three warrios. The biggest problem is that it could take up to fifteen warriors to create an army, right?
[11:14] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> possibly, yes
[11:14] [adaMada42> 01An army is a very powerful tool, but it's only good for one attack, and think what you could do with fifteen upgraded warriors...
[11:14] [adaMada42> 01obviously, wecould be lucky and get one on the first try
[11:14] [adaMada42> 01but it just seems like an expensive proposition; something we shouldn't take that lightly
[11:15] [OliverFA> getting Great Leaders seems more like winning the lotery
[11:19] [adaMada42> 01Wait a sec... won't it take significantly more than fifteen warriors to get a GL?
[11:19] [adaMada42> 01since they won't start out elite...
[11:21] [E_T> and they moght have to heal somewhat
[11:21] [OliverFA> it depends. Less if you are lucky, a bit more if you are unlucky
[11:21] [adaMada42> 01I mean, you obviously could get it earlier, but what's the worst case scenerio
[11:22] [adaMada42> 01it'd take one or two warriors from the other side to get one warrior elite too -- so it could go as high as sixty warriors for us both to have two GLs (I think -- my math might be sorta fuzzy

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[11:22] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> AHold on a minute teh crook who tried to use my ebay account to steal money this morning just broke into my yahoo account
[11:23] [OliverFA> in fact the worst case is that you never get it. At least acording to theory. Very improbable pero possible
[11:23] [adaMada42> 01Ghengis -- that sucks
[11:25] [E_T> you have an e-bay account, buyer or seller?
[11:32] * E_T is going idle for a moment
[11:42] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> both, and they used the info to break into my Yahoo account so I have no access to the PBEM games.
[11:43] [OliverFA> that's no good...
[11:44] [E_T> My DP and I sell stiff on e-bay, Saffrons_stuff is our seller name
[11:51] [[GoW]GhengisFarb> Booyah, Ebay is after this jerk s but now
[11:53] [Pikesfan> It's time for me to go. Bye!
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[11:53] [OliverFA> see you señor Pikesfan
[11:56] [adaMada42> 01my post is posted
[11:56] [adaMada42> 01oops, wrong window
[11:56] [E_T>

[11:56] * E_T slaps adaMada42 around a bit with a large trout
[11:56] [adaMada42> 01it's ok, we were just plotting war against GoW, nothing serious...
[11:56] [adaMada42> 01

[11:56] [E_T>

[11:57] [E_T> the e-bay manuver.....
[11:57] [OliverFA> At least that's not the Maginot line

[12:08] [adaMada42> 01ok, I'm gonna go AFK for a bit...
[12:08] [adaMada42> 01PM me if anything comes up
[12:09] [adaMada42> 01later everyone

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[12:11] [E_T> I have to go soon, too
[12:11] [OliverFA> have a good time you too
[12:12] [OliverFA> i'm leaving also
[12:12] [OliverFA> see you
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[12:12] [E_T> GF, I hope everything with e-bay and Yahoo turn out o.k.
[12:13] [E_T> I'll chat with you later. We should do this more often.....

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