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  • #16
    Originally posted by dejon
    On checking out the save for events of importance, I noticed with great amusement that ND has started to move a settler/spearman south into the jungle. Nyah, Nyah - we already built the Silk City!
    They may be going to settle on the other side of us. If so, I am strongly in favor of telling them that passage through our territory is an act of war.

    I believe they can already see Silk City since they have already scouted that territory.
    "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

    "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis Gandhi

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    • #17
      Originally posted by E_T
      Saragossa is supposed to be building the Worker first, then the Warrior. We'll change the next build (after the warrior) to a spear.

      I thought that getting that Iron connected was considered to be a top Priority! To won't be if we delay that one Worker.

      Santiago - no change.


      E_T
      I totally desagree with building now standard warriors to be upgraded to swordsmen.
      As far as priorities are concerned, I am not sure they have been clearly established. My suggestions are :
      - roads, including the road to the iron
      - barracks in Madrid and Pamplona
      - iron city
      in that order.

      I suggest also that we reassess our tech trade policy.
      Statistical anomaly.
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ruby_maser


        They may be going to settle on the other side of us. If so, I am strongly in favor of telling them that passage through our territory is an act of war.

        I believe they can already see Silk City since they have already scouted that territory.
        Oh that would make a great invitation for them to visit us with that stack of Swordsmen, wouldn't it?

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        • #19
          There is still a corridor between Pamplona and Saragossa but it can be easily closed. As for crossing our borders, they made such a fuss about Lux doing the same ...
          Statistical anomaly.
          The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dejon
            Oh that would make a great invitation for them to visit us with that stack of Swordsmen, wouldn't it?
            I think dejon is right. We are not ready yet. Our diplomacy should be as kind as posible until the moment arrives. But I also agree with ruby_maser that they probably will try to settle at the other side, trying to make us the first to attack and present us as the bad guys,
            "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
            "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by oliverfa
              I think dejon is right. We are not ready yet. Our diplomacy should be as kind as posible until the moment arrives.
              I am not saying do this immediately, but if they attempt to settle by the gems, they settle by the iron as well. Can we allow that to happen?
              "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

              "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis Gandhi

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              • #22
                In that case we think the same, ruby_maser Doing that is an action of war, even if we cannot tell them until we are ready to fight them.
                "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                • #23
                  I am at work and cannot do the save.

                  I need Dejon to do it. Please meet me in chat if you have questions. We may want to change the movements for GuOps to help corral the ND settler.

                  We also need to talk to ND to see what their intentions are.

                  --Togas
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                  • #24
                    just loaded the 1625BC save. It says our military is weak comapred to ND... average to GoW
                    "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                    "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                    • #25
                      The save was played in chat. Oliverfa ws kind enough to run it on his machine. Some changes have been made due to the current change in leadership and our new priorities. Changes will be posted here shortly and discussion should begin on how we can quickly impliment our NEED for defense, and then get back to our current style of development.

                      --Togas
                      Greatest Moments in ISDG chat:"(12/02/2003) <notyoueither> the moon is blue. hell is cold. quote me, but i agree with ET. "
                      Member of the Mercenary Team in the Civ 4 Team Democracy Game.
                      Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
                      Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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                      • #26
                        I'll start working on a plan for Madrid to be working on optimal military production ASAP.

                        Given the timing of the forest being chopped down, I may have to build at least one regular unit before I can afford to switch Madrid to a barracks (so that the 10 shields from the forest don't get wasted when the next unit build doesn't need them).

                        Since we can only build spearmen and archers for now, may I suggest that Madrid (as part of the defense plan) build at least 1 worker so that we can speed the rate at which the road to our source of iron (or at least horses) is linked to Madrid?

                        In my opinion, building workers in Madrid to speed the construction of the Madrid/Pamplona road does more for defense (since it will lead to veteran swordsmen sooner) than building a stack of archers now.

                        Building spearmen in between workers might be the optimal strategy for now.
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                        • #27
                          TURN SUMMARY:

                          - Madrid builds an spearman. Queue changed to a new spearman
                          - One of the two Madrid spearman moved NW, W
                          - Build queue in Saragossa changed from warrior to spearman
                          - Workers near Barcelona renamed to Astrologix slaves and moved NE to build road next turn.
                          - Magyar warriors saw Arnie NW NW from them. Now moved SE.
                          - One of the two spears at Pamplona moved NW,NW,NW
                          - Bulgar warriors moved N,NW,N
                          - GuObs saw ND settler+spearman just E. They move S to check if ND continue moving their units South
                          - Madrid expedition moved NW. A lux warrior is NW from them.
                          - Feocalvos move N, seeing another coastal tile.
                          - tax slider changed to 70%. Literature in 8 turns, 6 gpt (now 97)

                          Images here
                          "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                          "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                          • #28
                            What about a settler to found the city near the iron?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by pikesfan
                              What about a settler to found the city near the iron?
                              Hopefully, Lord Togas will allow Pamplona the chance to build one more settler. It will be done in 1400 BC, if it is the next queue.

                              From looking at the map, I think that, if ND were to play safe and go around our borders, we could set up a screen with our units that would give the settler the opportunity to get to the iron first.
                              "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

                              "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis Gandhi

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                              • #30
                                Pamplona is our wealthiest city. Only Togas knows his plans, but my guess is that Pamplona has a chance to become the production center for our SEX (as Davout calls it )
                                "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                                "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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