The Iron Worker Options poll

[jdjdjd]

The horseman however do allow for versatility should the attack hit silk city and not saragossa - or should then try to end run us and also could help on a counter attack. I also like E_T's suggestion on using the horsemen in place of the warriors and move the warriors in to get the iron. Once the iron is connected, we should road to Pamplona as astro suggested so all our cities have the iron benefit.

# 3 is for me

[roadcage]

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Lord Togas has posted the 1675 world map in the 1675 orders thread. As expected, VS has moved west making option 3 moot.

Or atleast deferred until Saragasso 6 is roaded. Otherwise there is significant turn loss on the worker.

Can we please stop talking about what might have been and get back to what could become? Could someone identify what would change relative to shield counts vs time regarding a modified 3 that roads Saragasso 6 before mining Saragasso 4?

[E_T]

Option 2 is still viable as it requires the mine at were the worker is currently at. In this option, VS will build a mine. Just before it gets done, the Saragossa worker will be ready (moving to the same tile) and the next turn they can both work on the road and move/work at the same time towards the Iron.

If VS builds the road first and then mines, and is joined by SW, then it might take 1 turn longer, it's an uncertainty when having odd number of turns left to complete the task..

As for shield counts, this is using full output (over 40 turns)
Option 1 - 20 turns at 2 shields per turn (SPT), then 20 more turns at 3 shields per turn (all the way up to size 5)

Option 2 - 10 turns at 2 SPT, 20 turns at 3 SPT (size 2 & 3), 10 more turns of 4 SPT (size 4 & 5).

and for compairasion - Option 3 - 10 turns at 2 SPT, 10 turns at 3 SPT (size 2 - mine at 6 built), 20 turns of 4 SPT (sizes 3 to 5).

E_T

[DAVOUT]

I really appreciate Aidun (in the I want war thread) and ET efforts to analyse coldly the problem we are facing. The solution is in thinking first then planning etc.

I just would like to incorporate a few items in their thoughs :

1. The soonest the stack of 5 (or then 6) swordsmen could arrive before Saragossa is five turns (6 if they choose to cross the river; what defence can we successfully oppose to that ? Would 4 spearmen be enough ? If yes we already have them available.

2. The value of horsemen seems underestimated by the team. They are upgradable up to cavalry, they can retreat and they move fast. Eight of them could take easily ND capital (assuming 2 spearmen). The jungle is not an argument against horses; it is quite clear that two tiles of jungle are to be roaded before attacking ND.

3. With barracks in Madrid, we need more than ever a road connecting to Pampelona. This should have a higher priority than the iron. The next settler is for the iron, then workers should be build in lieu of the following settler.

All this would not modify significantly the medium term plans, and would make the present situation much more comfortable. How long will we accept that the Capital of Spain is not connected to the front ?

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
3. With barracks in Madrid, we need more than ever a road connecting to Pampelona. This should have a higher priority than the iron. The next settler is for the iron, then workers should be build in lieu of the following settler.

Señor DAVOUT, Pamplona's next queue is a Worker being built specifically to road back to Madrid.

Originally posted by DAVOUT How long will we accept that the Capital of Spain is not connected to the front ?

3 turns from when Pamplona starts building it

[DAVOUT]

I like it, ruby_maser, but it is not enough; it would take 18 turns with one worker; we need 2 more on this job so that it take only 6 turns.

Would Madrid build, in 6 turns, veteran horsemen, ND would think twice before attacking us.

[ThePlagueRat]

Yeah right...
Three turns to the big road project starts. An old project not even started on yet! Meanwhile, low-prod Barcelona gets connected using 2 workers. I just ask why?

[pikesfan]

Rumour has it that our Lord Augusto Togas’ uncle Quintilio had a SEX policy of his own down in Barcelona, and, getting seasick easily, was dissatisfied with the length of time needed to travel by road. I seem to be getting a lot of girls from Barcelona whose fathers’ names are Fitz-Quintilio.

[OOC: Oliverfa, what’s the real Spanish equivalent of Fitz? It’s the medieval English word used to give the king’s bastards a name, such as, say, John Fitzwilliam, who would be John, bastard of King William.]

[astrologix]

ThePlagueRat,

This road is important, because, it will give Madrid the Silks luxury. On the other hand, the two workers will next chop the forrest near Madrid, in order to help to build faster the barraks on our capital. Finally, at least one of the two workers will irrigate these tiles to bring water to Barcelona to help his growth.

At the same time the Visigoth worker is building the iron road and the next Pamplona worker will build the road between Madrid and Barcelona.

[ThePlagueRat]

Ok. This luxury plan of yours is good for the Madrid population, but would be bad prioritizing if we get attacked. Madrid is the no.1 military base, and it needs to produce offensive units.
So if it can't do that, let's just stay away from any conflicts!
Or we can reevaluate the plan to strenghten the military sooner? It ought to be considered and discussed at least.

[OliverFA]

Astrologix has summarized the plans for connecting the Spanish Empire very well

Pikesfan: As far as I know, there is no an Spanish word for "Fitz". We could invent one

[ThePlagueRat]

Señores, This might sound a bit arrogant, but if we get attacked before Madrid is connected, the current administation have proven itself incompetent. I know our dictator is quite good with diplomacy, and I hope he manages to keep competitors at bay diplomatically.


*voice gets a bit more whispering and snakelike*
However, as the ruthless Plaguates I am, I now a way we could have gone to war quite successfully and backstabbed our biggest competitor almost by now. If the Pamplona-Madrid track had been built early on by the two (+one more to do it fast) workers, Madrid could have been able to produce loads of Horsemen in counjunction with other cities building loads of Spearmen. Quite soon I could have a stack-o-doom ready to bonk some heads right up the virtually undefended NeuTheben, while their swordsmen were running about kicking Trip's sore little butt. It's offensive, scruplous, and it works with most competitors dealing in other wars.



OOC:
Ok, it would have required a coup to nullify the non-aggresion pact, another planning of the workforce and military. The current administration are planning for peace and luxus. It's another way of playing the game and I respect that, though I share another opinion. Perhaps I would have fit better on GoW or something?

[astrologix]

The PlagueRat,

The plans of ND were certainly built many turns ago and it's "normal" that we were unprepared for such an aggressiveness.

Until now, we had mainly REX plans, and we can't change it instantly. Our new dictator, Augusto Togas is more war oriented and we can now go in a more military approach.

But, it'll take some tours until we improve our defensive forces. It must be our 1rst priority for now. We'll see in about 20-25 turns if we will become an agressor or not.

It's my current feeling. It could change...