The Iron Worker Options poll

[E_T]

Oliverfa has posted a poll, but the way that is is asked, it skews the poll to one desision only, which is Iron ASAP. Granted, I too want that Iron as soon as possible. I also want us to build up our army as soon as possible, too. Whith these two things in mind, I have presented Oliverfa with 3 Options for getting the Iron connected.

In all of the options the following is the same:
VS is the Visgoth slaves, SW is the Saragossa Worker that is soon to be built. At the same time, Saragossa is building Walls(current build)-Worker-Warrior-Horse-Horse-Horse-Spear-Settler(projected Q). The Iron City placement is 1 tile NW of the Site #8 in my last map (i.e. just SE of the Iron)


Here are the options:

Option #1 - Go for Iron ASAP
Move VS to Saragossa #6 and road. Move to Santiago #3 and start road, joined by Saragossa Worker and both move to Santiago #5 and road, then Santiago #15 and road, Then Ironcity #2 and Road, Then the Iron itself and road.

Iron is connected in 1025BC - Saragossa builds it's 2nd Horse in 825BC.


Option #2 - Mine Saragossa #6, then go for the iron.
Move VS to Saragossa #6 and Mine. It's joined by SW and both road and the rest is the same.

Iron is connected in 1000BC - Saragossa builds it's 2nd Horse in 900BC. Compaired to Option #1 - 1 turn later for the Iron, 3 turns earler for the 2nd Horse.


Option #3 - Mine Saragossa #4 (the Horse) & #6
VS Mines #4, moves to #6 (SW joins it here) and both Mine and road #6, the rest is the same.

Iron is connected in 925BC - Saragossa builds it's 2nd Horse in 950BC and it's 3rd in 750BC. Compaired to Option #1 - 4 turns later for the Iron, 5 turns earlier for the 2nd horse.


As we are worried about ND's Military Capablity, we need to be able to build units much faster. The 3'rd Horse can also be a sword, as the Iron will be connected then and they are the same sheild cost. Option 3 is better overall for Spain, as we have the better overall production output over time. I would rather have that second Horse sooner and wait just a little bit more for the Iron (only 4 turns).

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[Hot Mustard]

I'm in favour of #3, however I think choosing between the options would be much easier if we had a theoretical military analysis of how soon ND could attack us with their current (or future) forces. It wouldn't take much to convince me to go for #2.

[Arnelos]

Any of them sound good. Whatever.... just get iron linked up.

[OliverFA]

Ok, next time I will ask you which options do you want for the poll.

What I was asking in my post and what you are asking at that poll are two very different things. I'm trying to decide between polices, not options. Options are infinite. I cannot see why you limite only to these three. For example, if the worker which is supposed to come from Pamplona helps with the road to the iron we have a new option here.

My point, and what I'm very afraid of, is that we stop "for just one turn" now we will later stop "for just one more turn" to have another mine, or to improve some lands near Santiago, and thus the road to the iron is delayed.

Anyway, if you feel like you will manage workers much better than me I invite you to ask lord Togas to appoint yourself for the position.

[GodKing]

voted 2. However, instead of all horse units can we add in a couple of warriors to plan on upgrades. We may have to change out tax rate to do so but I think we will need it and need it ASAP.

[roadcage]

As I read the 1675 bc orders thread, Lord Togas has directed the VS to move west and road. Hence option 3 is now moot. And looking at the remaining options, I vote for #1.

[E_T]

He has so ordered, but the turn has NOT been played yet, and he can change his mind.

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[ruby_maser]

FYI: Pamplona's Settler (to be built after the coming worker) will be ready to move in 1400 BC.

If the go in a straight line from Pamplona to the city site, Iron City would be founded in 1275 BC (5 turns from start of the journey). I cannot say whether the road network will speed them up or slow them down.

[E_T]

Originally posted by dejon
I'm in favour of #3, however I think choosing between the options would be much easier if we had a theoretical military analysis of how soon ND could attack us with their current (or future) forces. It wouldn't take much to convince me to go for #2.

According to some people, it will be next turn (at least, that's the impression that I get). They still have a war to fight, they are still Rexing, their Capitol does not have that much in the way of Production Capability. So I don't consider them a serious threat, in the long term. In the short term, they could get us with those 5 swords, no doubt. So we need units tofill the ranks.

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[Aidun]

I voted #3. ET's magical words have convinced me. A higher production is more important than to have iron asap. We are winning a huge amount of productiontime by improving our productioncapacity first. Having units 125 years earlier while it takes several lifetimes to let ND get their attackforce to Spain is an enormous gain. ND's production can't be much higher than ours, so they haven't had the time to produce more than one attackforce: there is no threat from the land of Arabia itself, neither of it's attackforce.

Vote option #3 or otherwise option #2 if you feel we can't delay iron with 2 turns, but I urge people not to vote option #1 as we loose many vualuable productiontime with this option.

Aidun Cian the youger

[astrologix]

If we do the iron road ASAP, then the 2 workers could mine the iron mountain next to building the road. It will be interesting to know how this mine would increase the Iron City production. Or they could build a straight road to Pamplona in order to secure the iron connection, even if the Saragossa-Santiago-Iron City road is cutted off by ennemy forces.

As suggested by GodKing, Saragossa and Santiago could build several warriors instead of Horses for later upgradings. Archers would help too. We really not need Horses to defend Saragossa and Santiago. Archers are as strong than Horses and aren't handicaped by the movement on jungle. Horses are.

No matter, I vote for option #1

[E_T]

The Iron Cities Corruption/waste will be 66% before it's connected to Madrid and 58% afterwards. That Iron Mine won't help much, atleast not until we get to Monarchy

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[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by astrologix
Or they could build a straight road to Pamplona in order to secure the iron connection, even if the Saragossa-Santiago-Iron City road is cutted off by ennemy forces.

This is something that I would like to see happen as well at the earliest convenience.

Concerning the options, I don't see that horsemen are going to be very effective if swordmen enter our territory from the north. The jungle provides 25% defense bonus and the rivers up there can offer another 25% if we chose to attack across them. A enemy swordman's defense bonus would then be 3. Horsemen would be attacking at a significant disadvantage. I voted for the iron connection ASAP.

[E_T]

the thing is that the horses can be used for Barb hunting, while the Warriors come back to get upgraded.

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[E_T]

Double Post, poly is dieing a slow death today

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