I want war.

[DAVOUT]

Godking, all these units would be standard; I am not sure they have one chance out of two to beat two spearmen. And if they win, the remains would make a quite vulnerable garrison.

But if the stack of spearmen heads north, it would be worth to try with horsemen. I am convince that the proximity of the 2 capitals cannot last long.

[Arnelos]

If they win, you raze Neu Theben.... that, at least, would be clear.

[Aidun]

Originally posted by GodKing
I am not sure if I agree with all of that. A small force doing a strategic strike, can do a civ significant dammage without causing problems. For example. If we were to send out 3 archers, a spear, and two warriors (something we could easily have now) towards the ND capitol, they will probably be able to take it. What would we do without Madrid?

Think along these lines.

You mean a sort of guerrillia-attacks? that is good strategy while the main ND attackforce is fighting in another country like the current situation.
The situation I meant was the situation of total peace and us being the agressors. In that situation we face opposition for the state we are attacking and if the war is goiing well - we gain lots of territory while our casualties are relatively low - other states might become jealous of our power and fear our supermacy. Then we face both the normal opposition and attacks from other states who suddenly declare war upon us.
Compare this model to the current situation: ND is about to become a superpower if we don't try to avoid it; we seek contackt with GoW and Lux and get an agreement for us trying to put pressure on ND; the day after we are discussing with GoW about a military alliance in case ND is not willing to stop their war after gaining just one city. WE are now planning the attack on the agressor state, ND, I just spoke of.

My conclusion: Guerrillia is a good strategy, but only to be used when we don't expect the enemy to directly strike back. It's for instance useful when we want to attack and sabotate, while we build up op our army in the mearwhile: we will face the legions of the enemy once, because he will not forgive us this sabotage.

Aidun Cian the younger

[History Guy]

We had better strike first, lest the Neu Demogypticans come to us first, whereupon we shall have no chance. I think that we will find them severely weakened, though I would hope we can afford more troops to follow up our men. Once Neu Theban burns, we shall have our power made manifest. The enemies shall fear us, and hate us. But I would greatly suggest destroying those enemies, lest we have to come up against them in great force soon enough.

The one problem I greatly see with a war from behind is the Warmongers. They are a terrible problem indeed. I hope that Lux Invicta can blunt their attack, and cause them serious agitation, but I do not believe they can.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Ambassador to Neu Theban

[Thrumble]

If we are going to fight a war on Neu Demo, this is the best opportunity we will get. Yes, we are ill prepared to wage a war at this point, but they have most assuredly moved all the troops possible to the Luxian Front, from our intel into their capital their next turn will create a settler and drop two tiles out of production from their Swordsman factory. At that point (which will be our next turn), we declare war. They will have to move the settler back and remerge it with the city to regain production or sacrifice a unit to continue guarding the settler.

GoW's hands are tied with Lux, has even less units than us, and is so far away there is no hope of them helping ND.

To wait will benefit no one but the other side.

GoW has shown themselves to be opportunists. They declared war on Lux when they had already lost the war, perhaps that will entice them to attack ND for us.

We can currently build Horsemen, and should work towards being able to build Swordsmen.

[LzPrst]

Are you all MAD!? A war would be disastrous, our army is ANEMIC! By the time it is strong enough to fight ND, Lux will be conquered and those swordsmen can move south.

If we are to attack ND it should happen now, yes.
But we should not declare on them until our forces are on their borders. If we declare war next round NT will build soldiers, they probably have other cities building soldiers and they will remove garrisons in the north to protect their capital. They will have a chance at repelling or delaying our attack and we cannot afford that. If we were unable to take NT we would be totally f***ed!

An attack on ND will be considered a backstab and a sneak-attack. IMO we do just that, we declare war as our soldiers are charging on the open plains of NT.
Or of course, we could do the ultimate diplomatic outmanouver... We declare war on Lux, send an army north, through ND terf, then attack NT and raze it!
Treacherous? Atrocity? Pure evil? So what!

ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR!

[Thrumble]

Originally posted by LzPrst
If we are to attack ND it should happen now, yes.
But we should not declare on them until our forces are on their borders.

Agreed, and a declaration of war on Lux could serve as an excuse to move our forces north, but do we need it?
If our goal is to wait to declare war on ND until we are adjacent to their borders I see no need to drag Lux in on this, to do so might brand us as warmongers.

Besides, there is still the chance that Lux may donate some assets to us to prevent their capture by the Northern Barbarians.

[LzPrst]

We declare war on Lux only as a way of getting our troops into ND territory. We agree with Lux to do this and then revert to peace with them after we have crushed Neu Theben. It is a smoke screen and nothing more.

[GodKing]

Bumb - felt this thread could be of some use.

[Togas]

I have to say, I just love the name of this thread. So short and sweet. So blissfully ironic.

--Togas