Diplomatic talks with Trip

[OliverFA]

Chat with Trip. Feb 14 2003 17:45 GMT

First part: Apolyton global channel

Session Start: Fri Feb 14 18:45:55 2003
Session Ident: #apolyton
* Now talking in #apolyton
* Topic is 'Apolyton.net Channel - RON Contest Answers (not really) - Join us....'
* Set by ACS_MarkG on Fri Feb 14 15:13:24
[Trip] heya Oliver
[[RP]_OliverFA] good morning/afternoon Trip
[Trip] wish it were good
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[OliverFA] Well maybe they are. I see you are running for consul
[Trip] yep
[Trip] don't know if I'll make it into the top 3, but I'll try
[OliverFA] with a bit of luck you can get a seat
[Ignorance] strerror(ENOFOOD);
[Trip] pershaps
[Trip] er
[Trip] perhaps, even
[Trip] we'll see
[OliverFA] strerror? Do we have some C programmers here?
[OliverFA] Anyway things are getting interest in both games
[OliverFA] The interest in the first turns of the ISDG will rise once we see our starting position
[Trip] may programmers ;P
[Trip] yes, probably
[Trip] I will do my best to argue for what I think we need to do
[OliverFA] Do you have an idea right now or are you waiting to see our starting position?
[OliverFA] I confess that I want to see the starting position first
[Trip] really depends on what teams may be near by
[Trip] if we get a RP type position, then it doesn't matter
[Trip] if we get a Lux position, we'll have to be careful
[OliverFA] I guess we will have to be careful anyway...
[OliverFA] We are learning lots of thing from the internal game!
[OliverFA]
[Trip] :P
[Trip] RP has nothing to worry about
[Trip] unless there's a barbarian camp on a 1 tile island nearby
[OliverFA] I think that RP would do well to worry
[Trip] GoW may be in trouble though
[OliverFA] Well, in my opinion if one team gets too powerful it is bad for all the others
[Trip] I'm worried that both Lux and GoW may fall
[OliverFA] of course, not for the one with the militar supremacy...
[OliverFA] If Lux and GoW fail I see very difficult that RP can stand against ND
[Trip] I predict that ND will have about 8 Swordsmen in 10 turns, 5 of them veterans
[OliverFA] That's a very big army in these times!!!
[OliverFA] I don't like it
[Trip] if Lux falls within that time, GoW will be destroyed as well
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[OliverFA] I thougt GoW were called warmongers because they liked to build big armies...
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[OliverFA] Well if you really belive that you should try to convince GF here present
[Trip] hehe
[Trip] what do you think I've been doing
[Trip] GoW doesn't have much of an army right now
[OliverFA] mmmmmmmmmmmmm
[Trip] about the same as Lux
[OliverFA] making campaign for the ISDG game?
[Trip] maybe a couple more spearmen
[Trip] perhaps
[OliverFA] But how did they manage to build an army superior to you two? You don't seem to have been doing much of REX strategy by the scores
[Trip] we would have had 4 cities in 1 turn
[Trip] 5 in 6 more
[Trip] and 6 cities in about 10 or 12
[Trip]
[OliverFA] So you were really rexing...
[Trip] I would say yes
[OliverFA] But in strange way. Unless you like to "fly under the radar" as lot of people like to call it
[Trip] that was the plan
[Trip] wasn't expecting ND for another 15 turns
[OliverFA] oh I see
[Trip] they picked a good time
[Trip] well, for them :P
[OliverFA] Maybe ND built their army because they felt treated by threee surrounding teams
[Trip] probably
[Trip] they don't have very good land
[OliverFA] and were afraid of being attacked by the three at once
[OliverFA] good enough to build several swordsmen!
[Trip] yep
[Trip] if ND gets Lux and GoW, who knows what comes next
[OliverFA] I wouldn't like to know that, because I'm afraid I know the answer
[Trip] let's hope we don't have to find out :x
[OliverFA] I hope ND understand that getting a team so early would not benefit how the other teams see them
[Trip] they don't seem to care
[Trip] I offered them a favorable deal for peace, but they aren't willing to negotiate
[OliverFA] I really hope. War is no good for me. More militar units mean less workers and less peaceful building plans
[Trip] Darekill said they want the unconditional surrender of Lux and any who stand in their way
[OliverFA] unconditional surrender?
[OliverFA] what does that mean?
[Trip] we give them everything we have :P
[OliverFA] but that does not benefit you in any way
[Trip] exactly :P
[OliverFA] an strange deal
[Trip] destruction or unconditional surrender
[OliverFA] well if i had to pick between these two i would pick destruction. At least if they are going to take me they will have to fight for it
[Trip] yep
[Trip] I agree
[OliverFA] anyway we have very good diplomats in out team. I hope they can manage to convince ND
[Trip] I don't think it will help at all
[Trip] Darekill said: "You can send the turn now, there is nothing you can do to stopp the war. The only way i can think of, is an unconditional surrender which i wouldn't do if i were you.
[Trip] "
[OliverFA] Probably he was exagerating a bit
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[Trip] I doubt it
[Trip] they've been committed to this for a while
[OliverFA] you seem so convinced
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[OliverFA] maybe you get positively surprised

[OliverFA]

Second part (private chat):

Session Start: Fri Feb 14 19:11:40 2003
Session Ident: Trip
Session Ident: Trip (Trip-@inge68092.halls.colostate.edu)
[Trip] technically, we're already at war
[OliverFA] Hi
[OliverFA] Technically
[Trip] yes
[OliverFA] That means that they have attacked?
[Trip] we destroyed their scout
[OliverFA] oh... I bet they got angry at that
[Trip] perhaps... they probably expected it though
[Trip] they just got the turn
[OliverFA] so they have to play now
[Trip] yep
[Trip] their turn
[OliverFA] May i ask if you have city walls?
[Trip] we don't
[OliverFA] that would make more difficult to them to take your city
[OliverFA] oh so bad...
[Trip] we abandoned the city
[OliverFA] No city now?
[Trip] no city
[OliverFA] I hope this is enough for them
[OliverFA] They claimed that the city was too close to their border
[Trip] like I said, I got a PM from Darekill
[Trip] he said that he wants total conquest of Lux and anyone who stands in their way
[OliverFA] and the PM said that nothing you could do would make them change their opinion...
[Trip] yep
[Trip] I was willing to offer a city, a tech, 100 gold, military occupation, etc.
[OliverFA] As i said this is not a good movement in my opinion
[Trip] it's their decision...
[Trip] no one can stop them
[OliverFA] the other team's opinion about them will suffer badly from this
[OliverFA] specially being the only Apolyton foreigners
[Trip] they don't seem to care
[Trip] I guess that isn't important to them
[OliverFA] I bet that if they continue with this attitude even the most reluctant to war in RP and GoW will change their minds
[Trip] I don't know
[Trip] we'll see
[Trip] I'm trying to get GoW to join us... otherwise both of us will fall
[OliverFA] GoW like to go to war. They should be easy to convince
[Trip] they don't want to be destroyed
[OliverFA] Personally I feel that ND cheated to us for signing this NaP just a few turns before attacking you
[Trip] if they feel that they're safe from ND if they don't join Lux, then they may not join
[Trip] they were trying to make sure they were safe
[OliverFA] They are not safe. ND will attack them if only because they are called "Glory of War"
[Trip] most likely
[Trip] GoW has much to fear from a super power ND
[Trip] if not now, then later
[OliverFA] ND want part of the lands that we clam for Spain. They will no doubt get them if they get too powerful
[OliverFA] I have to go away for a few minutes. Be back soon
[Trip] okay

[chat about the ISDG consul election after that]