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After reading the Post that Audin had made in the Diplomacy thread, I desided to see if GF was online and verify some of this. This them lead to the GoW-Roleplay chat with GF, Togas, AdaMada & myself.
Here is the log from our Private Chat:
Session Start: Sat Feb 08 22:30:37 2003
Session Ident: GhengisFarb
[22:30] * Logging GhengisFarb to 'logs\GhengisFarb.GRNet.log'
[22:30] [E_T> I just heard some startaling news
[22:31] [GhengisFarb> is that a new weapon on the lines of a Gatling gun?
[22:31] [GhengisFarb> Stratling Guns?
[22:32] [E_T> Unexpected....
[22:32] [GhengisFarb> I was trying to work out a deal with Dejon and Togas but no one could find adaMada
[22:32] [E_T> yeah, about the settler
[22:33] [GhengisFarb> What settler?
[22:33] [GhengisFarb> I was trying to give your team contact with Vox and GS
[22:33] [E_T> [Trip> Ghengis is upset that we captured their settler :P
[22:33] [GhengisFarb> That's an ongoing joke, about the settler.
[22:34] [E_T> Yesm we noticed that and are trying to set up negotiations concerning it... Out of the blue, so to say
[22:35] [GhengisFarb> It just became available this turn, and we are trying to break Lux's monopoly hold on the intercontinental contacts
[22:36] [GhengisFarb> You want me to pm you the offer I had sent adaMada?
[22:36] [E_T> O.k., so the settler thing is just a joke. Good.
[22:36] [E_T> Can you give me the highlights?
[22:37] [E_T> but you can send me the PM, too. Who else have you sent it to, besides ada?
[22:39] [E_T> We have sent an offer of 24G for the contact, because we were caught totally unaware of this coming...
[22:40] [GhengisFarb> If I can get the forum to work I will pm it to you
[22:40] [E_T> but they want to possibly negotiate it a bit more
[22:41] [E_T> But, that's from having that come totally Unexpected...
[22:45] [GhengisFarb> should be in your pm box
[22:46] [E_T> Good, I wander exactly how long they have had it...
[22:46] [E_T> let me check it....
[22:49] [E_T> I don't think that it's a situation of us not negotiating, but trying to figure this out, with the sudden contact issue....
[22:51] [GhengisFarb> Whoever gets contact with these civs first has an edge and we are offering that priviledge to you, which is something i doubt Lux would offer you.
[22:52] [E_T> true, They were still working on the negotiations with them about that.
[22:53] [GhengisFarb> IMHO this is worth far more than 60 gold.
[22:55] [E_T> That's what we are looking at, but didn't want to change things in mid stream, so to say
[22:56] [GhengisFarb> True, but no one saw this coming and it seems to much of a win-win to not try it.
[22:56] [E_T> true, and we really thank you for the offer. Do you know if Lux has contact with GS or not??
[22:58] [E_T> We have only gotten hints from them,but they might. depends on how the placements are onver their...
[22:58] [GhengisFarb> No they could not as neither has Writing to my knowlede, this is why this has to be rushed, as soon as Writing is out of the bag its a free for all, we are offering youthe opportunity to cash in on the tech you researched in return for getting it early.
[22:58] [E_T> How did you get the contact anyways
[23:00] [GhengisFarb> Across teh water there is a VERY narrow strip of water seperating their island from ours and we just now discovered it. we've scouted the coast from Madrid up to us and its only one tile where you can glimse the other side
[23:00] [GhengisFarb> We were scouting south throught your ares in hopes of finding somehting similiar to Lego but never found anything.
[23:01] [E_T> Niether have we
[23:01] [E_T> Though we think they are close....just not close enough
[23:03] [E_T> IMHO, Lux shouldn't have tried to keep someting like that too much of a secret, just to keep the ability to sell it an option, but they didn't want to do that
[23:03] [GhengisFarb> I am going to hold on to the turn until I get word from your team or 8 hours have passed (I have to go play soldier in the morning) then I will have to play our turn and pass it on before our 24 hours are up.
[23:04] [E_T> If it was only 1 tile that you can see from, Personally, I would have forted a unit there, just to keep anyone away
[23:04] [E_T> Do you know if your going to be shipped out soon??
[23:04] [GhengisFarb> Oh, we have confirmed with Vox that Lux has not researched ANY TECH, they have simply been tradeing between our civs, Vox didn't even know they had contact with the rest of us I believe. They have been at 100% treasury for most of the game.
[23:05] [GhengisFarb> Vox completes Mysticism next turn.
[23:05] [E_T> WHAT??
[23:05] [E_T> OMG, I had suppected something like that, but not that much...
[23:06] [GhengisFarb> I don't think Lux knows we have contact as we never saw any of their units, they are all invading ND right now, and ND is NOT HAPPY about it.
[23:06] [GhengisFarb> They have to have over 100 gold.
[23:07] [GhengisFarb> There's nothing they can spend it on.
[23:07] [E_T> I also read something that said that Lux is thinking about going to war with us??
[23:07] [E_T> So Lux is really looking to try to take on ND, this early in the game??
[23:08] [GhengisFarb> I never heard anything like that, but Lux is real good about saying one thing and doing something completely different.
[23:08] [E_T> Warrior to Swordsmen Upgrade is 40G each
[23:08] [E_T> and at 100% money, they can make that really quick
[23:09] [GhengisFarb> Their IDIOTS! ND has a much larger military that Lux. Lux is just now connecting Horses, and has no Iron unless they built a colony, which I doubt, as they took forever to found their 2nd city
[23:10] [GhengisFarb> ND has had iron hooked up for quite a while.
[23:11] [E_T> We had seen their Score drop down awhile ago, then it's almost back up
[23:12] [GhengisFarb> If I was guessing I would say ND has approx twice the units as Lux, (I could be way off here) but ND's are probably Swordsmen versus Lux warriors.
[23:13] [E_T> We thought that they might have done a Settlere trick. Build the 2nd city, then make a settler in the first city (with the Palace) and abandon it. That would move the palace to the other city and then they could rebuild the new city at a bette spot
[23:13] [GhengisFarb> No, they just hiked a long ways before they built the second city.
[23:14] [GhengisFarb> Right next to an ND city.
[23:14] [GhengisFarb> As in there is only one tile seperating them
[23:14] [E_T> I don't know if ND has thier Iron connected, but their Scouts also count as strienght
[23:15] [E_T> They want to flip it, or have a better junp off point....
[23:15] [GhengisFarb> We can see their iron is connected there's not many tiles left up here that aren't any someone's city radius already
[23:16] [GhengisFarb> Nd's city expanded awhile ago and Lux's hasn't which may be why Lux is feeling pressured to take out the ND city.
[23:17] [E_T> oh, we still have no idea as for what's up there. We are now certain that we could have gotten Vox Contact, if we hadn't made that stupid no-scouting agreement with them
[23:18] [E_T> We have been just as far north as to meet you, ND & Lux
[23:19] [GhengisFarb> We originally though it was your team being paranoid (no offense) but now think Lux may have given you the idea even though neither ND or Lux ever suggested no scout rules.
[23:20] [E_T> Well, I can see that Trip isn't really playing his teams hand very well, if all of that is true. Sounds like he's just trying to piss everyon off
[23:21] [GhengisFarb> i seriously doubt Lux will make it out of the Ancient Age. Are team is scared crapless of ND, and we have more units than Lux.
[23:21] [E_T> If they keep up with that, they will be the first to be eliminated
[23:22] [GhengisFarb> I think they have continued to piss ND off to the point that there isn't any way ND won't kill them
[23:22] [E_T> We just want to get a long with everyone and everyone to do that with everyone else.,..
[23:23] [E_T> It's sad, but If you have someone how is leading your team to ruin, you really can't help it, I guess
[23:24] [E_T> I really wonder what his teammates think of the whole thing??
[23:24] [GhengisFarb> I think there whole team is supporting the system, I know BFM and Calc II are onboard
[23:25] [GhengisFarb> And is was working out well, they are at the lead in techs and have made all kinds of gold.
[23:25] [E_T> Apoc & Trip are too tight for Apoc to go against him
[23:27] [E_T> I wonder about ixnay, Vlad & Admiral PJ have to say about these things...
[23:28] [GhengisFarb> Admiral PJ almost started a war with us.
[23:28] [E_T> but that will fall by the wayside, not that they don't have a monopoly
[23:28] [E_T> Who, about what??
[23:30] [GhengisFarb> He just out of the blue told me "that Trip wanted to go to war with our team" and that neither they nor Roleplay would ever give us Writing, the only way we could get Writing was to research it ourselves
[23:30] [E_T> Oh ho...
[23:31] [E_T> Our Interest is the Art of Diplomacy, as you may have noticed... And the main purpose of Diplomacy is to help prevent war
[23:32] [GhengisFarb> We couldn't figure out how they could be so sure that you weren't going to trade us Writing and we go the impression that Roleplay and Lux had signed a military alliance against us.
[23:33] [E_T> They have told us that they were about done with researching Mysticism
[23:34] [GhengisFarb> Vox is trading it to them next turn when Vox finishes researching it.
[23:34] [E_T> but with Vox doing their research, they can bank that. I wander what for, writing maybe....
[23:35] * E_T has to go and get a drink, brb
[23:36] [GhengisFarb> TOP SECRET:
[23:36] [GhengisFarb> Trip is trying to hire me to fight ND in another chat window.
[23:37] [E_T> We have something that we had made, but NOTHING along those lines. We are now re-evaluating whether we want to continue it or not
[23:38] [E_T> Have you had any contact with ND about working with them??
[23:39] [GhengisFarb> They have not made any attempt to hire us for their side, there may have been an offhand remark many turns ago, but I seriously doubt they need any help as they could easily take on Lux and us with ease
[23:41] [GhengisFarb> We will probably hide in our cities till the blood dries up.
[23:41] [E_T> they might be afraid of a double cross, don't know
[23:41] [GhengisFarb> I get the impression they aren't too pleased with the way negotiations have gone with any of us.
[23:42] [E_T> well, blaim that on
[23:42] [E_T> Lux
[23:43] [E_T> with their warrior following that one settler all of theway home, for one thing, THAT would make me very wary
[23:44] [GhengisFarb> That may become a catch phrase in this game "shorter lifespan that a Lux", "Blame that on Lux", "Lu" Money (bogus)
[23:44] [E_T> ROMLMAO
[23:45] [E_T> Have you been keeping up with teh IDG Forum?
[23:47] [GhengisFarb> I joined another sites team because they didn't have that many people
[23:47] [GhengisFarb> le
[23:51] [E_T> Togas & Ada are online now
[23:52] [GhengisFarb> ANychance we can get a chat to going?
[23:52] [E_T> they would like to meet
[23:52] [E_T> [Togas> we will talk with him formally
[23:53] [E_T> What channell???
[23:55] [E_T> [adaMada> I'm in #GoW-Roleplay
[23:55] [GhengisFarb> enroute
[23:55] [E_T> [Togas> I'm there now
Session Close: Sun Feb 09 01:16:40 2003
Here is the log from our Private Chat:
Session Start: Sat Feb 08 22:30:37 2003
Session Ident: GhengisFarb
[22:30] * Logging GhengisFarb to 'logs\GhengisFarb.GRNet.log'
[22:30] [E_T> I just heard some startaling news
[22:31] [GhengisFarb> is that a new weapon on the lines of a Gatling gun?
[22:31] [GhengisFarb> Stratling Guns?
[22:32] [E_T> Unexpected....
[22:32] [GhengisFarb> I was trying to work out a deal with Dejon and Togas but no one could find adaMada
[22:32] [E_T> yeah, about the settler
[22:33] [GhengisFarb> What settler?
[22:33] [GhengisFarb> I was trying to give your team contact with Vox and GS
[22:33] [E_T> [Trip> Ghengis is upset that we captured their settler :P
[22:33] [GhengisFarb> That's an ongoing joke, about the settler.
[22:34] [E_T> Yesm we noticed that and are trying to set up negotiations concerning it... Out of the blue, so to say
[22:35] [GhengisFarb> It just became available this turn, and we are trying to break Lux's monopoly hold on the intercontinental contacts
[22:36] [GhengisFarb> You want me to pm you the offer I had sent adaMada?
[22:36] [E_T> O.k., so the settler thing is just a joke. Good.
[22:36] [E_T> Can you give me the highlights?
[22:37] [E_T> but you can send me the PM, too. Who else have you sent it to, besides ada?
[22:39] [E_T> We have sent an offer of 24G for the contact, because we were caught totally unaware of this coming...
[22:40] [GhengisFarb> If I can get the forum to work I will pm it to you
[22:40] [E_T> but they want to possibly negotiate it a bit more
[22:41] [E_T> But, that's from having that come totally Unexpected...
[22:45] [GhengisFarb> should be in your pm box
[22:46] [E_T> Good, I wander exactly how long they have had it...
[22:46] [E_T> let me check it....
[22:49] [E_T> I don't think that it's a situation of us not negotiating, but trying to figure this out, with the sudden contact issue....
[22:51] [GhengisFarb> Whoever gets contact with these civs first has an edge and we are offering that priviledge to you, which is something i doubt Lux would offer you.
[22:52] [E_T> true, They were still working on the negotiations with them about that.
[22:53] [GhengisFarb> IMHO this is worth far more than 60 gold.
[22:55] [E_T> That's what we are looking at, but didn't want to change things in mid stream, so to say
[22:56] [GhengisFarb> True, but no one saw this coming and it seems to much of a win-win to not try it.
[22:56] [E_T> true, and we really thank you for the offer. Do you know if Lux has contact with GS or not??
[22:58] [E_T> We have only gotten hints from them,but they might. depends on how the placements are onver their...
[22:58] [GhengisFarb> No they could not as neither has Writing to my knowlede, this is why this has to be rushed, as soon as Writing is out of the bag its a free for all, we are offering youthe opportunity to cash in on the tech you researched in return for getting it early.
[22:58] [E_T> How did you get the contact anyways
[23:00] [GhengisFarb> Across teh water there is a VERY narrow strip of water seperating their island from ours and we just now discovered it. we've scouted the coast from Madrid up to us and its only one tile where you can glimse the other side
[23:00] [GhengisFarb> We were scouting south throught your ares in hopes of finding somehting similiar to Lego but never found anything.
[23:01] [E_T> Niether have we
[23:01] [E_T> Though we think they are close....just not close enough
[23:03] [E_T> IMHO, Lux shouldn't have tried to keep someting like that too much of a secret, just to keep the ability to sell it an option, but they didn't want to do that
[23:03] [GhengisFarb> I am going to hold on to the turn until I get word from your team or 8 hours have passed (I have to go play soldier in the morning) then I will have to play our turn and pass it on before our 24 hours are up.
[23:04] [E_T> If it was only 1 tile that you can see from, Personally, I would have forted a unit there, just to keep anyone away
[23:04] [E_T> Do you know if your going to be shipped out soon??
[23:04] [GhengisFarb> Oh, we have confirmed with Vox that Lux has not researched ANY TECH, they have simply been tradeing between our civs, Vox didn't even know they had contact with the rest of us I believe. They have been at 100% treasury for most of the game.
[23:05] [GhengisFarb> Vox completes Mysticism next turn.
[23:05] [E_T> WHAT??
[23:05] [E_T> OMG, I had suppected something like that, but not that much...
[23:06] [GhengisFarb> I don't think Lux knows we have contact as we never saw any of their units, they are all invading ND right now, and ND is NOT HAPPY about it.
[23:06] [GhengisFarb> They have to have over 100 gold.
[23:07] [GhengisFarb> There's nothing they can spend it on.
[23:07] [E_T> I also read something that said that Lux is thinking about going to war with us??
[23:07] [E_T> So Lux is really looking to try to take on ND, this early in the game??
[23:08] [GhengisFarb> I never heard anything like that, but Lux is real good about saying one thing and doing something completely different.
[23:08] [E_T> Warrior to Swordsmen Upgrade is 40G each
[23:08] [E_T> and at 100% money, they can make that really quick
[23:09] [GhengisFarb> Their IDIOTS! ND has a much larger military that Lux. Lux is just now connecting Horses, and has no Iron unless they built a colony, which I doubt, as they took forever to found their 2nd city
[23:10] [GhengisFarb> ND has had iron hooked up for quite a while.
[23:11] [E_T> We had seen their Score drop down awhile ago, then it's almost back up
[23:12] [GhengisFarb> If I was guessing I would say ND has approx twice the units as Lux, (I could be way off here) but ND's are probably Swordsmen versus Lux warriors.
[23:13] [E_T> We thought that they might have done a Settlere trick. Build the 2nd city, then make a settler in the first city (with the Palace) and abandon it. That would move the palace to the other city and then they could rebuild the new city at a bette spot
[23:13] [GhengisFarb> No, they just hiked a long ways before they built the second city.
[23:14] [GhengisFarb> Right next to an ND city.
[23:14] [GhengisFarb> As in there is only one tile seperating them
[23:14] [E_T> I don't know if ND has thier Iron connected, but their Scouts also count as strienght
[23:15] [E_T> They want to flip it, or have a better junp off point....
[23:15] [GhengisFarb> We can see their iron is connected there's not many tiles left up here that aren't any someone's city radius already
[23:16] [GhengisFarb> Nd's city expanded awhile ago and Lux's hasn't which may be why Lux is feeling pressured to take out the ND city.
[23:17] [E_T> oh, we still have no idea as for what's up there. We are now certain that we could have gotten Vox Contact, if we hadn't made that stupid no-scouting agreement with them
[23:18] [E_T> We have been just as far north as to meet you, ND & Lux
[23:19] [GhengisFarb> We originally though it was your team being paranoid (no offense) but now think Lux may have given you the idea even though neither ND or Lux ever suggested no scout rules.
[23:20] [E_T> Well, I can see that Trip isn't really playing his teams hand very well, if all of that is true. Sounds like he's just trying to piss everyon off
[23:21] [GhengisFarb> i seriously doubt Lux will make it out of the Ancient Age. Are team is scared crapless of ND, and we have more units than Lux.
[23:21] [E_T> If they keep up with that, they will be the first to be eliminated
[23:22] [GhengisFarb> I think they have continued to piss ND off to the point that there isn't any way ND won't kill them
[23:22] [E_T> We just want to get a long with everyone and everyone to do that with everyone else.,..
[23:23] [E_T> It's sad, but If you have someone how is leading your team to ruin, you really can't help it, I guess
[23:24] [E_T> I really wonder what his teammates think of the whole thing??
[23:24] [GhengisFarb> I think there whole team is supporting the system, I know BFM and Calc II are onboard
[23:25] [GhengisFarb> And is was working out well, they are at the lead in techs and have made all kinds of gold.
[23:25] [E_T> Apoc & Trip are too tight for Apoc to go against him
[23:27] [E_T> I wonder about ixnay, Vlad & Admiral PJ have to say about these things...
[23:28] [GhengisFarb> Admiral PJ almost started a war with us.
[23:28] [E_T> but that will fall by the wayside, not that they don't have a monopoly
[23:28] [E_T> Who, about what??
[23:30] [GhengisFarb> He just out of the blue told me "that Trip wanted to go to war with our team" and that neither they nor Roleplay would ever give us Writing, the only way we could get Writing was to research it ourselves
[23:30] [E_T> Oh ho...
[23:31] [E_T> Our Interest is the Art of Diplomacy, as you may have noticed... And the main purpose of Diplomacy is to help prevent war
[23:32] [GhengisFarb> We couldn't figure out how they could be so sure that you weren't going to trade us Writing and we go the impression that Roleplay and Lux had signed a military alliance against us.
[23:33] [E_T> They have told us that they were about done with researching Mysticism
[23:34] [GhengisFarb> Vox is trading it to them next turn when Vox finishes researching it.
[23:34] [E_T> but with Vox doing their research, they can bank that. I wander what for, writing maybe....
[23:35] * E_T has to go and get a drink, brb
[23:36] [GhengisFarb> TOP SECRET:
[23:36] [GhengisFarb> Trip is trying to hire me to fight ND in another chat window.
[23:37] [E_T> We have something that we had made, but NOTHING along those lines. We are now re-evaluating whether we want to continue it or not
[23:38] [E_T> Have you had any contact with ND about working with them??
[23:39] [GhengisFarb> They have not made any attempt to hire us for their side, there may have been an offhand remark many turns ago, but I seriously doubt they need any help as they could easily take on Lux and us with ease
[23:41] [GhengisFarb> We will probably hide in our cities till the blood dries up.
[23:41] [E_T> they might be afraid of a double cross, don't know
[23:41] [GhengisFarb> I get the impression they aren't too pleased with the way negotiations have gone with any of us.
[23:42] [E_T> well, blaim that on
[23:42] [E_T> Lux
[23:43] [E_T> with their warrior following that one settler all of theway home, for one thing, THAT would make me very wary
[23:44] [GhengisFarb> That may become a catch phrase in this game "shorter lifespan that a Lux", "Blame that on Lux", "Lu" Money (bogus)
[23:44] [E_T> ROMLMAO
[23:45] [E_T> Have you been keeping up with teh IDG Forum?
[23:47] [GhengisFarb> I joined another sites team because they didn't have that many people
[23:47] [GhengisFarb> le
[23:51] [E_T> Togas & Ada are online now
[23:52] [GhengisFarb> ANychance we can get a chat to going?
[23:52] [E_T> they would like to meet
[23:52] [E_T> [Togas> we will talk with him formally
[23:53] [E_T> What channell???
[23:55] [E_T> [adaMada> I'm in #GoW-Roleplay
[23:55] [GhengisFarb> enroute
[23:55] [E_T> [Togas> I'm there now
Session Close: Sun Feb 09 01:16:40 2003
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