In the chat with ND now

[OliverFA]

Session Start: Wed Feb 05 20:18:34 2003
Session Ident: #civ3rp
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[Togas_at_work] we can chat for a bit to give him time to show up
[OliverFA] that's a good idea
[darekill] ok may i introduce myself?
[OliverFA] Please do it
[darekill] i'm Darekill the designated gouvernor of Neu Demogyptica
[OliverFA] I salute you governor
[darekill] my team decided that i may lead the negotiations this evening
[OliverFA] I think you already know our great leader Togas
[darekill] Thank you
[Borc] greetings, togas and oliver
[Togas_at_work] Good to have you all here
[OliverFA] I am the slave master in charge of the workers of España
[OliverFA] maybe we could order some squid to begin the negotiation with a good meal
[darekill] i've heard from him many times and i've read some Posts in the forum but we haven't met till now!
[Togas_at_work] My ambassador to your nation, History Guy, is unavailable today. I hope to have Arnelos in his place. Arnelos is the governor of the city of Madrid.
[helios] and i´m helios the owner of anagramaskus and not so important like darekill
[OliverFA] He is the most wise among all the spaniards, no doubt about it
[OliverFA] I salute you also helios, and also to you, Borc
[helios] greetings
[Borc] you all know picahulu, he is the chief ambassador od nd
[Togas_at_work] of course
[Borc] and murkel is the major of Dar-El-Killam
[Picahulu] good evening gents *g*
[OliverFA] Yes, we have heard about him in España, but this is the first time I see him
[OliverFA] saludos señor Picahulu
[OliverFA] Saludos señor Murkel
[Borc] i was gouverneur for 50 turns, i will be vice gouverneur the next 40 turns
[Murkel] Saludos
[darekill] Ah the squid tastes good! I've a bit of trhe spicese from Neu theben it makes it a little bit more delicat if at all posible!
[Picahulu] qué tal oliver? *g*
[OliverFA] Your spices are great. History Guy always bring some spices for us every time he comes back from your lands
[Togas_at_work] Is your nation governed by a Constitution? Your leaders are all elected?
[OliverFA] It looks like your lands are well governed with all that wise men in charge
[darekill] Yes we get elected an old democratic tradition in our Realms....
[OliverFA] oh! That's a new system for me!
[Borc] every city gets a major, all workers get a leader, the armies get generals
[Togas_at_work] The original settlers of Spain chose my father's father's father ... etc, to rule over Spain. Rulership has been passed down my family line to me.
[OliverFA] in my family the head of the clan position goes from father to son
[helios] all voted by our parlament
[OliverFA] A parlament? Is like a gathering of clan leaders?
[Togas_at_work] I appoint governors, generals, and advisors for all of the many leadership positions in our nation.
[darekill] Ah i see a dynastie!
[Picahulu] i've read that in your forum, your team won't have elections until republic is discovered, is that right?
[OliverFA] what's republic?
[OliverFA]
[Picahulu] what's lol? *g*
[Togas_at_work] We'll see. We may learn about new forms of government, but I cannot say that we will change our present system of rule
[OliverFA] the only way to choose our leaders we know it's the designation by our great leader
[OliverFA] lol = lots of laughing
[Murkel] lol
[Murkel] i think we know what lol means
[darekill] rofl!
[OliverFA] lol!
[Togas_at_work]
[helios] gg
[OliverFA] our nation worships tradition, but we are always willing to learn about new concepts from our neighbours
[OliverFA] so maybe you can tell us about this republic when time comes
[Togas_at_work] perhaps "worship" is a bit strong. We are a proud people. We have a great tradition and a great deal of respect for those who came before us
[darekill] it is allways wise to learn from each other!
[OliverFA] wise words señor darekill!
[darekill] I think we should start talking serious now?
[Murkel] Maybe we could come to the point now, for which we're here so lately
[Togas_at_work] certainly. Arnelos will arrive as soon as he can.
[OliverFA] ok
[darekill] O.K. as i said we have seen your borderproposal
[Togas_at_work] what do you think of it?
[darekill] and we were a little bit amused
[darekill] it was a most brilliant joke!
[Togas_at_work] we didn't intend for it to be a joke.
[darekill] Senor Togas, we have a scout in the south! We are sure that it was only a joke!
[Borc] i guess you dont know the size of the island?
[Togas_at_work] We know this. What we don't know is how much land is north of Neu Theben
[Togas_at_work] and we don't have a great deal of knowledge about the size of the island as well
[Picahulu] there is a lot of land too - but there are the ottomans and the chinese!
[Picahulu] we would be forced to destroy both of them if we would accept this border
[Borc] we dont know the whole south but it seems you want 55% of the whole island for spain. and we know everything of the north
[darekill] As the proposal is now you would have about 55% of the continent for spain!
[Togas_at_work] 55%??
[darekill] Yes. 55% for spain and 45% for th three other Civ's
[Togas_at_work] You guys have that little room?
[Borc] ~55% maybe more.. there is still much dark land for us near madrid
[darekill] We don't have much space in the north that is true!
[Togas_at_work] I wish we had a better idea of what the land looked like. We have quite a bit of jungle, mountains, and deserts down here
[Borc] yes it is a funny starting position for some of us
[darekill] And we live in constant fear
[Togas_at_work] we figured that everyone was relatively evenly spaced
[OliverFA] i don't know how much big is the continent, but it's not all about size, but also the kind of land
[Togas_at_work] true
[Borc] you should see our jungles, mountains and deserts and the funny hills everywhere
[Togas_at_work] we both have that large jungle between us
[darekill] Your Land is what we have seen through Arnes scout at least as good as our's
[darekill] and you have more luurys
[Togas_at_work] luurys?
[darekill] luxurys
[Togas_at_work] ah
[Togas_at_work] do you guys have a border proposal that you could send to us?
[OliverFA] (sorry i must answer the phone)
[darekill] Senpor murkel has worked something out!
[Murkel] yes indeed,we have
[Togas_at_work] please send it to tom_ogas@yahoo.com
[Togas_at_work] how crowded are things to your north?
[OliverFA] (back)
[Togas_at_work] what's it like up there? Are you and GoW and Lux all fighting for spots?
[darekill] Yes we do!
[Togas_at_work] how bad it is?
[Togas_at_work] how bad IS it
[Borc] every new city founded by us, gow or lux is a probelem for someone
[darekill] Well may it suffice to say that we have already a twincity with lu!
[darekill] lu
[Borc] we all can found maybe 2 more cities and then :-/
[darekill] lux
[OliverFA] you haven't got a deal with your neighbours then?
[darekill] my x is stuck
[Borc] we fear china and we dont trust lux!
[darekill] thats the truth!
[Togas_at_work] we're worried that you and lux will go to war, as we've heard about them going into your territory and causing problems
[OliverFA] I understand that you fear china, but why you don't trust lux?
[Picahulu] they've recently invaded our country and we're sure they tried to cheat @oliver
[Togas_at_work] cheat?
[darekill] the Luxians are very aggressiv. They haunted our settler and they invaded our country
[OliverFA] cheat?
[Borc] they put a warrior right next to neu theben
[OliverFA] have you asked them why do that?
[OliverFA] It doesn't seem like an interesting way of acting
[Togas_at_work] they told us something about a "shortcut" but it didn't sound too convincing
[OliverFA] interesting= intelligent
[darekill] We told them to leave as they entered
[Borc] they said it would be the shortest way to the south!
[darekill] they didn't heed they continued on!
[darekill] then they left after they found our defensiv units on allert
[Togas_at_work] we've been sort of isolated down here. We've only had trouble with GoW, but it's silly stuff like trying to get their warriors to leave us alone
[darekill] then they told us they wanted only to shorten their way!
[OliverFA] That's too bad to know.
[darekill] Gow once penetrated our bordes. But they left imidiatly
[Togas_at_work] we hope you two don't go to war because we think China will take advantage of it. We're going to try to convince Lux of this.
[darekill] lux then foundet a city right next between ours! We told them not to do that but they don't hear!
[Togas_at_work] Lux still has the smallest army and the lowest score of the 4 of us ... we wonder what they're doing.
[darekill] we wonder too!
[Togas_at_work] you guys will probably culture flip their city.
[darekill] but you will understand that we can't take that kind of behaviour for too long!
[Togas_at_work] I understand. I don't think you should have to take that kind of behavior either
[Borc] i dont think we will do a war with lux because china probably will take it as a reason to declare war on us...
[darekill] that is the biggest of our fears.
[Borc] not at the moment
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[astrologix] Hi
[darekill] and now our greatest friends the spanish cut us off of the south!
[Togas_at_work] I know Trip from the Democracy Game on the Poly site. Sometimes we chat about things. I'm going to try to talk to him about this.
[OliverFA] Astrologix is our chief architect
[Togas_at_work] This is Astrologix -- he is also the governor of Barcelona
[Borc] Salute! Astrologix!
[darekill] Salute!
[astrologix] Hola Borc !
[astrologix] Hola darekill !
[Picahulu] Hola astrologix! Tu eres en Barcelona?
[astrologix] Si !
[Borc] togas: if china sees that the south is closed for us then they probably will fight with us in the north...
[Togas_at_work] What do you propose?
[astrologix] hi picahulu
[Borc] thats our problem with saragossa for example
[OliverFA] The behaviour of Lux is not a good one. I hope they understand that only GoW would take profit from that
[Picahulu] congratulations.. barcelona.. most beautiful city of europe.. ehm our continent i think !
[darekill] Well murkel will sent you our border proposal soon!
[astrologix] Yes, do you like squid ?
[Picahulu] yes of course, we all like the squid from spain
[astrologix] we have the best squid of all the world ;-)
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[astrologix] hi crousto !
[Togas_at_work] Ah, Crousto! We are hosting a delegation from Neu Dem
[crousto] hi señores
[crousto] hi neudemers
[Picahulu] Hola senor crousto
[Borc] hello crousto
[darekill] hi crousto
[Togas_at_work] Crousto ... which division of the Spanish army do you command again?
[crousto] madrid expedition
[Togas_at_work] ah yes
[OliverFA] Hola señor Crousto
[Borc] its a famous warrior right?
[Togas_at_work] Crousto's warriors have braved the jungle and seen the borders of your nation.
[astrologix] Señores, could you summarice what has been said before our arrival ?
[OliverFA] The name of Crousto is well known in all Spain
[crousto] yes, we have slaughtered loads of barbarians
[Togas_at_work] The delegates from Neu Dem inform us that they are very crowded in the north and feel that our border proposal is unfair.
[Togas_at_work] they will send us their proposal shortly.
[astrologix] ouch !
[Borc] not by purpose because you dont know how small the north is!
[Togas_at_work] yeah, we really need to scout the north
[darekill] That is why we thought you were joking! We could'nt belive yiou were unfair
[astrologix] amigos, how far are you from Map Making ?

[Hot Mustard]

Originally emailed by Togas
Here it is. We've got some work to do on this one. They want the silks and the
west coast

[OliverFA]

[astrologix] amigos, how far are you from Map Making ?
[Borc] very far, we dont have writing but we will have maths in 7 turns
[astrologix] fine
[darekill] we are willing to trade maths!
[Togas_at_work] we would like to trade you for mathematics after you discover it
[darekill] what could you offer?
[Picahulu] i think we've already agreed to trade math against writing
[Togas_at_work] we can offer writing
[darekill] that seems to bee quite fair!
[Borc] we like it!
[Togas_at_work] will you research currency next, or go for something along the writing tech-tree?
[OliverFA] It seems that we can trust in maintining good relations between our two nations!
[Borc] i think currency!
[darekill] We are always interested in good relations we are a peacefull nation!
[Borc] but we have to make a poll then
[Togas_at_work] that will be good. It will give us another thing to trade for with your team
[Borc] one question: do you have mysticism already?
[Togas_at_work] we have mysticism as well
[Picahulu] yes they have
[Borc] we admire you civilisation
[Picahulu] what are you going to research next?
[Togas_at_work] we are dissapointed that Lux is researching it, as we wanted to offer it to them
[Togas_at_work] My wisemen are debating which of the "post-writing" techs we should pursue.
[Picahulu] i suppose you've finished researching writing
[OliverFA] Definitely Lux seems to be following a very strange strategy
[Togas_at_work] we just did
[Borc] congratz!
[Togas_at_work] we are also debating about the establishment of embassies
[Togas_at_work] but we don't have enough money yet to do so.
[darekill] oh money
[darekill] is
[darekill] another thing
[darekill] we don't have!
[Togas_at_work]
[Togas_at_work] we will wait to receive your border proposal. Perhaps we can also work out a peace agreement between our nations.
[darekill] I hope so!
[Togas_at_work] I know that we are at peace now, but it might help both of us to make something formal.
[darekill] Uh, just a moment RL calls!
[Borc] not too long i hope :-)
[Togas_at_work] are there any other questions you have for us?
[OliverFA] You never know how long a call will take ;-)
[Murkel] So, I'm finished with the borderproposal. As u will see, the border goes along natural hinds, like mountains and rivers
[Togas_at_work] can you email it to me?
[Murkel] yes
[Murkel] It was tom_ogas@yahoo.com?
[Togas_at_work] yes
[Murkel] now I know, where your nick togas is from
[Togas_at_work]
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[OliverFA] Hola señor Fibrizzo
[Fibrizzo] Buenas
[Togas_at_work] welcome. We're hosting a delegation from Neu Dem
[astrologix] hola amigo !
[darekill] Hello again!
[OliverFA] The Fibrizzo clan has recently raised its status in Spain
[Fibrizzo] Saludos a todos
[crousto] hi señor fibrizzo
[Borc] hi fribrizzio
[darekill] I think i can offer you guys an official Peacetreaty with Neu Demogyptica for 20 turns!
[darekill] A longer treaty is possible but then we would have to poll!
[OliverFA] would your parlament agree with that treaty señor darekill?
[Togas_at_work] We would accept it
[OliverFA] ah ok I see it. No need to answer again
[darekill] Yes i'm sure
[astrologix] should we make it in game (renegociate peace treaty) ?
[Togas_at_work] Please perform a poll and if your people would allow for more time, please send a PM to History Guy
[darekill] is that possible without embassys?
[Togas_at_work] I think we have to establish an embassy first
[astrologix] dare, I don't remember currently
[crousto] IIRC, we'll always stay in peace status as long as we don't attack each other
[darekill] Let us call it a non aggression pact!
[Togas_at_work] Non-agression is equally acceptable.
[darekill] We don't attac spain and spain dosn't attack us!
[astrologix] of course !
[Murkel] Have you check your mail togas?
[Borc] great and together with the tech trades it is really fine
[Togas_at_work] ah. Got it. Downloading now
[OliverFA] This tech agreement will boost both Spain and Neu Demogyptia
[Togas_at_work] I'll post this to my forum and allow my people to discuss.
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[Borc] sure!
[astrologix] we will be an exemple of friendship all over the world !
[darekill] Good. it is settled then! Neu Demogyptica won't attack Spain within the next 20 turns and Spain will not attack Neu Demogyptica in the same period of time!
[Togas_at_work] Agreed!
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[darekill] Togas and Darekill are shacking Hands!
[Borc] the crowd is excited
[OliverFA] This day will be remembered in the story of the world!
[Togas_at_work] We are very pleased.
[Borc] shoud this nap be secret or should we tell it to the others?
[Borc] nap not map
[crousto] confidentiality of NAP should be discussed too (Non Agression Pact
[Togas_at_work] I will leave it up to you. We may tell Lux about it to help convince them not to harass your nation
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[Borc] we will tell it china maybe to make them fear a bit, what do you think dare?
[OliverFA] My humble opinion is that it will send the other nations a message of peace and trust if that deal was made public
[Togas_at_work] I also invite you (if Arnie is still in the south) to explore near Madrid
[astrologix] hi ruby
[ruby_maser] hola everyone
[OliverFA] specially to the chineeese
[ruby_maser] hi astro
[OliverFA] Ruby_maser is the Governor of Pamplona
[crousto] hi rubymaser
[darekill] that will be good! We will tell them too so they know that we are at good terms with each other!
[Togas_at_work] Pamplona is the greatest city in all of Spain
[Borc] arne is in the very south and he found some new barbs
[ruby_maser] hi crousto. si, yo soy "governor" :P
[Togas_at_work] you will need to see our lack of settlment options near madrid
[Borc] arne will take a look at madrid and barcelona then we know the south ...
[Togas_at_work] madrid and barcelona are by the ocean
[Borc] ahh, thats why you want mapmaking
[Borc] we not even have an harbour yet :-(
[crousto] aren't you close to the western ocean?
[Togas_at_work] The area with Pamplona and Saragossa is known as El Valle De Los Torros, and is the heartland of Spain
[Borc] very close but there is no good place for a city
[darekill] Sorry guys but i'll have to go now!
[OliverFA] the most fertile land in all Spain
[OliverFA] have a good time señor darekill!
[astrologix] bye señor darekill !
[crousto] bye darekill
[darekill] Hola sons of spain! We'll be good friend in the futur i'm sure!
[Fibrizzo] See you
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[Murkel] Machs gut Dare
[Borc] what a pitty :-/ dare
[ruby_maser] what is the business of the day? I got here mid-discussion...
[Togas_at_work] I am now on my "lunch break" ... or at least 30 more minutes of it. I need to leave briefly to get some food.
[OliverFA] well I think that we can say that this conversation was productive!
[crousto] the great Spain & ND friendship
[Togas_at_work] I will return shortly. Feel free to remain here and chat
[Murkel] If the people of spain agree, i would like to create a public of the treaty? Is this ok with you? A litte flash animation..
[OliverFA] Señor ruby_maser, ND has told us that they are a bit crowded in the North, and that because of that our offer is not aceptable. And they have sent us another proposal to discuss
[Togas_at_work] You have my permission
[Borc] yes murkel and you can make the flash as swf not only as exce and we can make it public for everybody :-)
[ruby_maser] ah, thank you for the briefing
[astrologix] we have signed a non agression pact for 20 turns
[Togas_at_work] BRB
[Murkel] Sag das nochmal auf deutsch Borc Was ist mit der swf?
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[crousto] and we agreed to trade writing for maths later
[OliverFA] and also agree to have a tech agreement. We are willing to change writing by mathematics
[OliverFA] change= exchange
[OliverFA] crousto we crossposted
[crousto] crosschatted
[OliverFA] Oh yes, you are right
[OliverFA] How do you think that GoW will react to our agreement?
[crousto] they'll be angry. they are always angry with everything
[Borc] hard to say... but im 100% sure that they dont like our NAP
[OliverFA] Yes, and they are also willing to confront us with each other, because that makes us weak and they strong
[Borc] at the moment they settle new cities but in the future they will become dangerous. they are very close to us
[Murkel] so, could I have a comment of everybody in this room, what you think about the aggrement and the chat today. (and please add your position in the government to your comment). It's for the press
[Borc] and they also dont have very much room
[crousto] they hate it when there is tech trading and they are not involved
[astrologix] this pact is a light for the world
[OliverFA] remember to say your position in the governement señores Crousto and Astrologix!
[Borc] my comment: ill be the exgouverneur soon and i can spend my last days in th sunny spain!
[Murkel] Anyone else?
[ruby_maser] all the squid you can stand
[ruby_maser] Murkel, do you mean the agreement concerning the NAP and tech trade? or is there something more?
[astrologix] murkel, I am the Chief Architect. Currently I'm making plans to improve the palace of our Great Despot Togas
[OliverFA] A NaP agreement is a good thing, because we can spend our time building our lands and cultivating friendship instead of war and dead
[OliverFA] (Slave Master)
[crousto] today is the start of a great friendship between the 2 most enlightened nations on this continent
[crousto] (commander of the Madrid Expedition)
[Borc] picahulu: what does swuid mean in german?
[Borc] "squid"
[astrologix] murkel, what are your positions in the ND government ?
[Murkel] Major of the city Dar-El-Killam and Public Minister
[Murkel] k, i'll write this comments down
[OliverFA] could you send a copy to Madrid for us to read it señor Murkel?
[ruby_maser] is this newsworthy stuff?
[Borc] yes before we publish it, roel should see it! murkel!
[Murkel] I'll try to made a little flash animation. I'm not thaaat good with flash, but it will helps me training my skills
[Borc] roel=role
[Murkel] yes
[Borc] where is the great arnelos... its a pitty not to have him here
[OliverFA] I don't know what Togas thinks about that, but I don't think that we need to review it before publishing. We trust in you friends
[OliverFA] just send a copy when it is finished
[Murkel] i will send it to togas, i got his mail now
[OliverFA] A formal treaty is a different thing. In that case we would be willing to review it.
[ruby_maser] it says he is offline. that's a first :P
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[Togas_at_work] I am back. eating my lunch right now between typing
[OliverFA] Arnelos must be busy in Madrid I'm afraid
[OliverFA] I hope that tastes good
[Borc] yes good nightlife there ;-)
[Togas_at_work] arnelos told me he would try to make it, but I guess that he could not
[Borc] no problem we can repeat this cheat later!
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[Borc] we should meet us every 20 turns at least!
[dejon] Greeting
[Togas_at_work] Ah, Dejon!
[ruby_maser] hola, senor
[Borc] hi dejon!
[astrologix] Yes Borc, it's fine to meet you and your Ministers !
[Togas_at_work] Dejon serves as my Most Trusted Advisor, my 2nd in command
[astrologix] hi dejon !
[crousto] hi señor dejon
[Togas_at_work] Dejon -- we are hosting many members from the Neu Dem delegation today

[OliverFA]

[Togas_at_work] Dejon -- we are hosting many members from the Neu Dem delegation today
[OliverFA] I will be iddle for a bit
[dejon] Sorry I'm late - very busy this week.
[Togas_at_work] I'm in the middle of lunch, so don't mind me if I don't chat that much
[Borc] togas: could you take a look to murkels map already?
[astrologix] Togas, are you eating a hamburger ?
[crousto] no, he's eating squids of course
[ruby_maser] get it, "hamburg"er
[ruby_maser] :P
[astrologix]
[Togas_at_work] I have a plate of enchilladas, actually
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[dejon] oops
[Togas_at_work] I know that we will have to talk further about the border proposal from your team
[Borc] my problem is that my time is running out today and darekill already is gone
[ruby_maser] may I inquire as to the nature of the proposal?
[dejon] ruby_maser - i posted it in our forum
[ruby_maser] thank you, I'll check it out
[Borc] please believe me: our border proposal is not what you have expected but it is this what we urgently need..
[dejon] Urgently need? Could you expand on these needs?
[Togas_at_work] I don't think that my people will want to divide El Valle De Los Torros, and I am concerned, as I do not want such things to get in the way of our peaceful coexistance
[Borc] yes, we already talke about the tiny north and that all 3 civs in the north already have problems with peaceful settling
[Togas_at_work] I hear you and understand your position
[dejon] Sadly, we can only speculate on the "tiny" north, as we have not explored it - in good faith to yourselves and others.
[Borc] we already founded 2 cities in the north as you know but we did not foudn one single city in the south. but we need to
[ruby_maser] dang it! 'Poly is acting funny right now
[Togas_at_work] Why not found cities to your east?
[Borc] we have at least 3 ottoman warriors there and LUX is already *** because of our 3rd city Dar el killam.
[dejon] The area that your image has lux? in, in particular - we have avoided it for this reason - we though you would expand there
[Borc] if we go further to the east it will mean war
[Togas_at_work] directly east of Neu Theben is a large, lush valley that remains unsettled
[ruby_maser] war with Lux?
[Borc] we try to avoid the war but Lux plays a strange style
[dejon] Confrontational?
[Togas_at_work] They seem to be, yes.
[Borc] of cause we can build one city more next to Neu Theben in the east but actually they already have fortified a warrior there
[ruby_maser] are you escorting your settlers?
[dejon] Is there no land to Lux's east for them to use?
[crousto] just build your city next to their warrior, they can't do anything if you have 1 or 2 fortified spearmen
[Borc] Lux has a small but pretty east but they try to expand to us... maybe they have a contract with china - we dont know
[Togas_at_work] I imagine that Lux is trying to lock off land for themselves
[Togas_at_work] probably why they spent so much time founding their 1st city ... it walked a long distance.
[Borc] sorry togas, the session last longer than i thought, its late here and i will get RL trobles soon :-/
[Togas_at_work] I understand.
[OliverFA] Have a good time Borc
[dejon] That's okay. Our team will have to discuss this at length anyways.
[Borc] maybe you can think about the proposal some days?
[Togas_at_work] take care and thank you for coming tonight
[astrologix] Adios señor Borc !
[ruby_maser] take care
[Togas_at_work] yes. My people must give this some serious thought.
[dejon] Goodnight Borc
[Borc] thanks. anyway the NAP and the tech trade maths/writing is a great result!
[dejon] ! Question:
[Togas_at_work] I agree
[dejon] What would your time frame be for the silk city?
[Borc] last word: think about our situation and visit us with a warrior to see our land!
[astrologix] This is a nice offer, señor Borc
[Togas_at_work] we may just do that. Please visit the area of madrid. You need to see how we're sort of "stuck" in our expansion as well
[Borc] we dont have a time frame... actually we first have to poll if we go to the south
[Togas_at_work] I hope you will consider the east, as we already have cities to your south
[dejon] Ah, well we will have to discuss things quickly, as our REX is proceeding... and our city sites are all mapped out...
[Borc] we will think about this... maybe we can make a border discussion with lux also in the next days
[Togas_at_work] I hope that you and Lux can get back to peaceful relations
[Borc] ok, somebody in RL starts to get angry now... bad luck!
[dejon] Also - there are gems in the east as well.
[astrologix] bye !
[crousto] bye borc!
[Togas_at_work] good night
[ruby_maser] take care borc
[OliverFA] bye borc
[Borc] bye
[dejon] bye
[Borc] have a good party in madrid!
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[dejon] Have the other ND attendees chimed in at any point?
[Murkel] I'm only here for the press
[helios] ill go too
[Murkel] So, if you have any comment, tell it
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[Togas_at_work] comments for the press? OK --
[Murkel] yes right. togas, you where afk, as asked for comments
[Togas_at_work] It was our pleasure to host the delegation from Neu Dem. I believe we made a great deal of progress and I look forward to working with your nation in the future.
[Togas_at_work] I hope that our nations can remain at peace for thousands of years to come.
[dejon] This meeting also established a healthly line of communication that will help future relations.
[Murkel] k, i wrote it down. I will make a public report for all the teams
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[Togas_at_work] excellent
[dejon] Did Borc comment on their team architecture at all? Leader, 2nd, Advisors?
[Murkel] Togas, i will send you an email, as soon as its done. So your team can read the report before the others
[Murkel] yes borc did, while you where missing
[Togas_at_work] good
[Murkel] I will also go now. Have a nice day
[Togas_at_work] good evening to you.
[dejon] okay, I'll get it from someone else. Thanks, nice talking to you.
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[crousto] bye murkel
[astrologix] bye señor Murkel
[Togas_at_work] only spanish citizens now in attendance
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[astrologix] yes, I think the NAP could deserve us if they settle west of Saragossa
[Togas_at_work] I think we'll beat them, and the NAP will help keep the peace
[OliverFA] I will post the log meanwhile we chat so everyone can read the whole chat
[dejon] We *cannot* allow them to settle the coast, silk city or others
[Togas_at_work] agreed
[Fibrizzo] I agree, too
[dejon] What was the tech agreement Borc mentioned?
[Togas_at_work] but we must do what we can to maintain this friendship
[Togas_at_work] math - writing
[Togas_at_work] afk a sec
[dejon] Do they already have it?
[Fibrizzo] maybe a mutual protection pact against Lux could persuade them not to expand to south, but it's a double edged sword...
[OliverFA] We are planning to be friends of Lux also as well as ND, señor Fibrizzo
[dejon] Sounds like Lux is being very agressive in their settlement - towards ND, maybe GoW
[astrologix] dejon they are 7 turnsaway MM
[crousto] they'll have maths in 7 turns
[dejon] okay, thanks
[OliverFA] Well as I've said before They look too much afraid of Lux
[ruby_maser] fyi, I'm getting 6 turns for us to be position to found the city. 7 turns to actually founding it
[dejon] Did they ask for any kind of no-trade clause?
[OliverFA] no they didn't
[dejon] great RM
[OliverFA] nor we did
[dejon] good - it wouldn't serve us in this case - they can't get writing from GoW anyways
[dejon] and then we can look at Math options to Lux, at least
[dejon] assuming their relations are strained beyond tech trading
[ruby_maser] I think this is just a matter of needing luxuries. They have plenty of land to expand into besides cow valley
[ruby_maser] none of it good, of course :P
[OliverFA] Can anyone have a look at the minimaps from the begining of the game? just to figure the real land they have access to
[dejon] IDEA: Offer to Gift Silks and/or Gems to them after we have settled the land.
[ruby_maser] need a trade network up though
[dejon] yes, after the roads are up.
[crousto] strange, they told us that Lux has some warriors fortified in the valley east of ND but madrid exp is there and can't see anything
[dejon] the luxes wouldn't be any good to them either before they roading throught the jungle
[dejon] no, i think they mean closer to their cities, crousto, in land we can't see
[ruby_maser] a warrior isn't going to stop an escorted settler unless by dumb luck
[ruby_maser] especially if they use the terrain well
[crousto] i thought they meant in the area marked 'lux' in their pic
[dejon] I suppose just the gesture of placing it there has them worried.
[dejon] They couldn't have - by your own explanation
[ruby_maser] If they can't handle war, they shouldn't have let the computer randomly place them so close to enemy civs
[astrologix] How "old" do you think their jpg is ?
[OliverFA] I'm sure they didn't want to señor ruby_maser
[astrologix] I wonder if all this dark region is really dark for them
[dejon] Regardless, I think we should put all priority on settling Site #3 and connecting it, even if it means using the worker that would otherwise help Saragossa
[crousto] it's quite new, saragossa is already there
[astrologix] ah, yes Crousto
[Togas_at_work] back
[crousto] and you can clearly see the path followed by their scout
[dejon] Togas - read my last line
[ruby_maser] Togas, fyi, the city could be founded in 7 turns
[Togas_at_work] ah
[Togas_at_work] I think it was 8 ... which reminds me. We need to do the save
[crousto] can we do it now?
[Togas_at_work] it was 8 last turn
[Togas_at_work] we should do the save now ... Dejon, you avail for it?
[ruby_maser] thankfully the roads we DO have will hurry the group along
[OliverFA] Just a question. Is Apolyton working well for you?
[crousto] its quite slow for me right now
[OliverFA] I cannot post the log! :8
[OliverFA]
[dejon] :rollseyes: Okay. (I'm going to get lynched later for it.)
[Togas_at_work] poly is "down for 15 minutes" the screen says
[dejon] Lemme shut down my dev apps and load the save...
[ruby_maser] I'm also prepared to give them Pamplona's spearmen to escort the settlers. Next queue for Pamplona is to be a spearman anyway
[Togas_at_work] good
[crousto] it always says 14min & 46sec on that screen
[Togas_at_work]
[OliverFA] so we are going for "friendly competition" it seems
[crousto] they may become less friendly whey they'll see that we have settled the silks :/
[Togas_at_work] we'll argue for the silks a bit
[Togas_at_work] let them know how important it is to us.
[dejon] 4 Loaded
[ruby_maser] I think friendly competition will give way really fast if we beat them to it. We should watch our relations with the other two to head off any backlash
[dejon] GoW Diplomacy - They have offered us Horseback Riding and accepted it
[dejon] 4 GoW Diplomacy - They have offered us Horseback Riding and accepted it
[Fibrizzo] I'm going to have dinner, I'll be back in short time.
[Togas_at_work] excellent
[OliverFA] remember, we have signed a 20 turn NaP and they are going to make it public
[OliverFA] they would give themselves bad press
[Togas_at_work] I have yet heard back from GoW about the proposal I sent yesterday
[Togas_at_work] I think we should accept HBR
[Togas_at_work] anyone disagree?
[ruby_maser] if they make our NAP publicly, what is Lux's expected reaction? We were their safety if it came to war.
[dejon] I agree, we need to get this trade going
[OliverFA] nop
[dejon] nope? nod?
[crousto] what do we give for HBR right now?
[OliverFA] i mean... i agree
[Togas_at_work] HBR is a gift. We trade gold for writing after they leave
[dejon] nothing
[dejon] 2 stage deal
[crousto] wow. a gift from GoW, that sounds so strange
[OliverFA] LUX is suposed to stop anoying them, but Togas has promised to talk to Trip about that
[astrologix] I'm leaving in 10 minutes....
[dejon] DON'T phrase it that way publicly - its a 2-stage deal
[Togas_at_work]
[ruby_maser] Togas, you were able to talk them into removing their warriors before writing?
[dejon] actually, don't say anything about our deal publicly, for that matter
[Togas_at_work] I told them that we wanted them removed before writing and spelled out what would = removal
[ruby_maser]
[dejon] This gift implies they understand, I think