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    TRIAL FOR HIGH TREASON OF NINOT


    I declare the trial of Ninot opened.

    It will be proceeded as follows :

    A unique Judge, the Watcher

    An Accuser, Christofo de Torquemada

    After hearing the bill of accusation, Ninot will confess his crime or if he so desires will present his defence. As our Despot Togas has suggested that the fairness traditionally recognized to the Spanish Justice be still extended, Ninot will be authorized to call witnesses for the defence.

    Then the Accuser will call witnesses for the accusation and make appropriate comments if need be. At this point, Ninot will have his last opportunity to confess his crime. If he does not, the Accusor will tell the appropriate punishment.

    And the Judge will proclaim the sentence.

    Appeal before the Despot.

    PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE NINOT OR A WITNESS. The public can use the Warrant thread to discuss the case.
    Statistical anomaly.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

  • #2
    I am ready for the trial. I will stand up to whatever I am occused of, and defend myself appropriately.

    May I hear the bill of accusation please?
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    • #3
      Bill of accusation.

      You are accused, during the last 90 days, to have conceived, planned and build a conspiracy aiming to overthrow our Despot Togas. You are also accused to have, during the same period of time, started to recruit, amongst the otherwise most faithful citizens, partisans and followers, which aggravate tremendously your first crime. And you are also accused to have made this conspiracy known to the worst enemies of Spain, which is why you are accused of high treason.

      When we open your file kept in the archives of the Watcher Office, the first piece is :

      05-11-2002 00:14







      Rome has a very well documented history of civil wars, of which we can take examples
      This was your program : create the conditions for a civil war. And you are applying it.
      It should be enough to explain your crime, but there is something more personal : you envy powerful people; as it appears in this post :

      11-11-2002 02:38







      why must anyone feel so powerful, well liked, and experienced?

      Cant ya settle for something humble?
      You are obviously jealous of Togas who is experienced, well liked and powerful.

      But you are certainly not alone. And in fact, there is no doubt that when you refer to BOB, he is clearly an accomplice. And a very capable one, since he will help you to rule not only Spain but the whole planet !


      15-11-2002 15:14





      link




      Bob is winning! BOB IS WINNING!!!

      this will be a great day for the entire planet Bob.

      [edit] hey, if Bob should win... my avatar would rule [/edit]
      Would not you be ALSO a dangerous megalomaniac ?

      In fact, you never agreed with the despotic government that Spain has chosen :


      07-01-2003 20:17





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      Interesting hypothesis.

      but, isnt RP the largest team? and, if RP's government style is DIRECTLY influenced by its in-game selection, then it would be removed from this team-size influence. Otherwise, i think a despotic government type would least apply to a large team, as a democracy might suit it so well.
      Always perfecting your argument to gain support, you found this one :
      09-01-2003 00:08





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      quote:
      Originally posted by alva
      What happens if your present ruler, decides to stay in despotism for the remainder of the game???

      (that is what desposts do you know!! )



      No man can stop a revolution
      But sometimes seeing the difficulty of your project, out of desperation, you shouted to your enemy:
      19-01-2003 20:55





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      Togas: YOU DIE!
      Your ambitions is also fed by another motive : cupidity.
      26-01-2003 20:34





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      sounds good

      plenty of time to save money
      So, it is absolutely clear that you are a jealous and cupid megalomaniac on his way to kill the Despot Togas. But what about our enemies knowing the conspiracy ?
      On January 28, the leader of Glory of War was heard saying with obvious surprise :
      [21:57] [GhengisFarb> Ninot is free!
      There can be no other explanation to this remark that the astonishment felt by somebody aware of the plot and its dangers.
      On January 28, the date of the assassination of Togas was closing, as we can infer from :
      [21:28] [Ninotsback> where the hell did i leave my TV clicker?
      It is crystal clear that TV clicker means Togas Vacancy dagger.

      Considering all the evidence here above listed, I declare that Ninot has committed the crime of treason against the Despot Togas, and the Crime of high treason against Spain.
      Statistical anomaly.
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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      • #4
        These charges are ludicrous. Senor Ninot has not plotted against our great leader.

        This is just an attempt by the watcher to justify the taxes that have been collected for his office and to further his power in our Despot's Court.

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        • #5
          ET,

          If you intend to be a witness for the defence, please refrain from posting untill you are called by Ninot. You do not seem to realize that such a declaration could hurt his case more than help it, particularly coming from you ...
          Statistical anomaly.
          The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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          • #6
            First, i would like to defend myself on every quoted point you have brought to light, Mr. Prosecutor.

            Rome has a very well documented history of civil wars, of which we can take examples
            When this was said, I was thinking in a mind of how our Christian Civilization, the succesor of Pre-Ancient Rome, could take the historical documentations of their civil wars to prevent them from coming to us should someone suggest it in closed quarters. It is important to know the worlds history, so we may prevent trajedy's from reoccuring.

            why must anyone feel so powerful, well liked, and experienced?
            Cant ya settle for something humble?
            This remark was made before Togas came to power, and I have been proven wrong thusly. This was before Madrid was founded, and before Togas proved to all that a class system can work! DOWN WITH COMMUNISM!

            Bob is winning! BOB IS WINNING!!!
            this will be a great day for the entire planet Bob.

            [edit] hey, if Bob should win... my avatar would rule [/edit]
            This was a remark made in a competition, in which Bob was competing. I am a great fan of Bob, who is a world class athlete really. I support him anyways I can, short of betraying Togas and Spain.


            but, isnt RP the largest team? and, if RP's government style is DIRECTLY influenced by its in-game selection, then it would be removed from this team-size influence. Otherwise, i think a despotic government type would least apply to a large team, as a democracy might suit it so well.
            This remark holds no proof to it, and half of the words hold no meaning. It is simply an analysis of social trends, and a proud proclamation of how strong our team is in its current state. I dont know what "democracy is". The only government I have heard of, and anyone else I might ask, is generous despotic leadership under the mercyful Togas!

            No man can stop a revolution
            I believe this to be true in any case. However, Togas needs not to try and stop a revolution, not one from myself atleast. He is a generous leader whom no one should distrust. However, DAVOUT, are you suggesting a revolution is forming? I havent heard of one. I've been working WITH Togas.
            Togas: YOU DIE!
            This was a spelling mistake on my part, and quite a humourous one i guess. See, Togas was spouting a new fashion that had been occuring recently, but not often. It was a GREAT shock to see that Togas was wearing DYE'd clothes. It was marvelous shades or Red and Yellow. I was shocked, and had to raise my voice. As its a new commodity thats very hard to get, i was still confused at the spelling/pronounciation

            plenty of time to save money
            once again, this was a reference to the dyes. As I heard that a solid supply line of dye's wont be reaching my hometown of Madrid for years to come, i decided to save up so when they do come, i could get the most marvelous brands available.

            [21:57] [GhengisFarb> Ninot is free!
            as Togas himself will testify, GoW must have found a source of incense, because GhengisFarb is regularly light headed and high. This is just a random comment.

            [21:28] [Ninotsback> where the hell did i leave my TV clicker?
            you make a false presumption on the definition of a TV clicker.
            it is a device I have assembled, which I call the Team Vox clicker. It adds up the ammount of times Lux is suspected of having traded with Vox already. You can buy it in stores now.

            Finally, I'd like to say that none of the evidence so far is all out proof that I am guilty of High Treason. With ALOT of guessing, some of it can be contorted into making one believe I am a traitor, but with the same ammount of guessing, we could makeout that Arnelos is a girl. Since we all know Arnelos is very much so a man, it is perposterous to believe that I am a traitor.

            if I may, i'd like to state the first witness I'd like to call upon is E_T. He can vouch that I have never contimplated killing Togas, or committing treachery.
            Last edited by Ninot; January 31, 2003, 18:52.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by DAVOUT
              ET,

              If you intend to be a witness for the defence, please refrain from posting untill you are called by Ninot. You do not seem to realize that such a declaration could hurt his case more than help it, particularly coming from you ...
              So, am I to be next on the watchers list of midnight arrests? I am a loyal citizen of Spain, and will not be threateden by the likes of you. If you have charges to bering against me, then I am willing to hear them and thus refute them. But do not make any Idle threats...

              and who is this ET?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by E_T


                So, am I to be next on the watchers list of midnight arrests? I am a loyal citizen of Spain, and will not be threateden by the likes of you. If you have charges to bering against me, then I am willing to hear them and thus refute them. But do not make any Idle threats...

                and who is this ET?

                Letus Eta Tamali
                Nobody ever succeeded in outraging the Watcher; he reacts only when the Despot Togas is outraged.

                As for the likes of me, nobody ever asked for more than ONE Watcher.
                Statistical anomaly.
                The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DAVOUT


                  Nobody ever succeeded in outraging the Watcher; he reacts only when the Despot Togas is outraged.

                  As for the likes of me, nobody ever asked for more than ONE Watcher.
                  No offense, and no intention to be (too) egotistical.... but arent we supposed to be talking about me?

                  take the bickering outside. my neck is on the line here.

                  next step please.
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                  • #10
                    Accused Ninot,

                    If you intend to call several witnesses, you are authorized to post a list of names so that these people can prepare their testimony.

                    Meantime I am calling your first witness : E_T.
                    Statistical anomaly.
                    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • #11
                      In the interest of the case.

                      As an exemple of the fairness which is an essential and quite new feature in this Court, I want to draw the attention of the accused Ninot on the danger he has created for himself in building a terrible logical trap. Ninot said that with a lot of guessing the evidence brought by the Accuser can be contorted into making one believe he is a traitor. And he adds that with the same amount of guessing we could make out that Arnelos is a girl. The consequence of this reasoning is clear : if Arnelos is a girl Ninot can no longer pretend that he is not a traitor, since he has himself chosen the criteria enabling us to decide this point.

                      As the question will be solved by the examination of a particular part of a particular individual, many will wonder why Ninot recognizes this considerable importance to the … particular part of particularly Arnelos. There are certainly in the tribe other people interesting in that respect (without depreciating Arnelos ornaments, of course); and why this particular part ? I suppose it is an allegory of life, a current concern for Ninot.

                      All this induces me to firmly ask the accused that, unless he is able to bring to the Court the absolute proof that Arnelos is not a girl, he will have to give up this line of argument.
                      Last edited by DAVOUT; February 1, 2003, 21:23.
                      Statistical anomaly.
                      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DAVOUT
                        In the interest of the case.

                        As an exemple of the fairness which is an essential and quite new feature in this Court, I want to draw the attention of the accused Ninot on the danger he has created for himself in building a terrible logical trap. Ninot said that with a lot of guessing the evidence brought by the Accuser can be contorted into making one believe he is a traitor. And he adds that with the same amount of guessing we could make out that Arnelos is a girl. The consequence of this reasoning is clear : if Arnelos is a girl Ninot can no longer pretend that he is not a traitor, since he has himself chosen the criteria enabling us to decide this point.

                        As the question will be solved by the examination of a particular part of a particular individual, many will wonder why Ninot recognizes this considerable importance to the … particular part of particularly Arnelos. There are certainly in the tribe other people interesting in that respect (without depreciating Arnelos ornaments, of course); and why this particular part ? I suppose it is an allegory of life, a current concern for Ninot.

                        All this induces me to firmly ask the accused that, unless he is able to bring to the Court the absolute proof that Arnelos is not a girl, he will have to give up this line of argument.


                        (that came out of left field... )

                        Did I miss several hidden posts of this trial or something???
                        Last edited by Arnelos; February 1, 2003, 22:10.
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                        • #13
                          Sorry for butting in, but for Arnelos' sake:

                          Originally posted by Ninot
                          Finally, I'd like to say that none of the evidence so far is all out proof that I am guilty of High Treason. With ALOT of guessing, some of it can be contorted into making one believe I am a traitor, but with the same ammount of guessing, we could makeout that Arnelos is a girl. Since we all know Arnelos is very much so a man, it is perposterous to believe that I am a traitor.
                          * From Ninot's opening arguement.

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                          • #14
                            Thank you, Señor Mada.

                            Apparently it is merely my old age [ooc] Diego now being, what? Several centuries old? [/ooc] and not some mystical form of communication shared between the accused and the accuser as I might have otherwise suspected to be the case... For a moment there, I was about to contact the High Priest to ask if the Watcher and the accused had, as a result of some shared ability for non-sensible reasoning and delusions, managed to discover a new form of mystical communications which our nation, now possessing mysticism, might have great interest in...

                            It seems not, afterall.

                            While they seem to share a capacity for non-sensible reasoning and the reasoning out of delusions, no mystical form of communication has yet arisen from it.
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                            • #15
                              My list of witnesses

                              E_T
                              Arnelos
                              Aidun
                              mrmitchell
                              oliverfa

                              they are all good friends of mine, and my family. and all are very respectable members of the Spanish nation. They can all testify that I would never committ treason on this nation.
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