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We will pop the goody hut in 2 turns (2650 B.C.?), and we won't have a chance to get a settler from it if we have one in production.
Just an early friendly reminder
Just an early friendly reminder
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"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
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I was going to remind people of that too
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ok... I hope Togas or dejon sees this.
You have full permission from me to change Madrid to a placeholder for a settler in order to pop the goodie hut. Sorry I haven't made official orders for that.Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
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Thanks for the remind guys, and for the official permission Arnelos.
We have to change to a placeholder at least one turn before we pop the hut, because that is when the random seed for the hut will be set. Changing to the placeholder on the same turn as popping the hut won't do any good, to my understanding.
Timeline:
2710BC - Spearman moves W, we set Madrid to a placeholder (Temple?)
2670BC - Spearman moves SW (into Pamplona)
2630BC - Warrior moves W, pops hut
By setting the placeholder a turn early, we have the option of popping the hut in 2670, though that would risk Pamplona. It will depend on where the ND Scout goes, and what they tell our diplomats.Comment
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If a settler pops out of the goodyhut, I would like to lead the settler to the planned site and build a city upon it.
Aidun CianLast edited by Aidun; January 7, 2003, 16:05."Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Hmm. What will we do if we get a settler? It would waste time to make them trek all the way down to the Barcelona site - I think they should become the northwestern city of cow valley.Originally posted by Aidun
If a settler pops out of the goodyhut, I would like to lead the settler to the planned site and build a city upon it.
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That sounds like a good idea - don't we get those beautiful beasts of the prairie, who run like the wind?Originally posted by dejon
Hmm. What will we do if we get a settler? It would waste time to make them trek all the way down to the Barcelona site - I think they should become the northwestern city of cow valley.Note: the Law Offices of jdjdjd are temporarily closed.
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Hmm sounds good indeed. Let's see what pops out of the hut.
Aidun Cian"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Señor Dejon, there is no reason for the spearman to move all the way into the city prior to popping the hut.Originally posted by dejon
Timeline:
2710BC - Spearman moves W, we set Madrid to a placeholder (Temple?)
2670BC - Spearman moves SW (into Pamplona)
2630BC - Warrior moves W, pops hut
Instead in 2670 BC, we should simply pop the hut with Pamplona's warriors and not wait the extra turn. If barbarians emerge from it, we then move the spearmen into the city on the very same turn (and move the slaves to safety if the random placement of the barbarians immediately affects them). If no barbarians emerge, Madrid's spearmen should be free to return to Madrid. Pamplona's spearmen should be done in 4-5 turns beyond 2670 B.C."The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis GandhiComment
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dejon, I don't like the idea of the spearman going into Pamplona at 2670 BC. IMO the spearman should stay on the mountains waiting for the warrior going to pop the goody hut (at 2670 BC !).Originally posted by dejon
Timeline:
2710BC - Spearman moves W, we set Madrid to a placeholder (Temple?)
2670BC - Spearman moves SW (into Pamplona)
2630BC - Warrior moves W, pops hut
If there are barbarians in the hut, then, yes, the spearman must go into Pamplona. Otherwise, he should go back to Madrid. Our capital could be threatened by barbarians (why not ?) and the spearman would be to far to defend it if he's located into Pamplona.Comment
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Originally posted by astrologix
dejon, I don't like the idea of the spearman going into Pamplona at 2670 BC. IMO the spearman should stay on the mountains waiting for the warrior going to pop the goody hut (at 2670 BC !).
If there are barbarians in the hut, then, yes, the spearman must go into Pamplona. Otherwise, he should go back to Madrid. Our capital could be threatened by barbarians (why not ?) and the spearman would be to far to defend it if he's located into Pamplona.remind me to remove myself from the pay-no-mind listOriginally posted by ruby_maser
Señor Dejon, there is no reason for the spearman to move all the way into the city prior to popping the hut.
Instead in 2670 BC, we should simply pop the hut with Pamplona's warriors and not wait the extra turn. If barbarians emerge from it, we then move the spearmen into the city on the very same turn (and move the slaves to safety if the random placement of the barbarians immediately affects them). If no barbarians emerge, Madrid's spearmen should be free to return to Madrid. Pamplona's spearmen should be done in 4-5 turns beyond 2670 B.C.
"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis GandhiComment
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Originally posted by ruby_maser
Señor Dejon, there is no reason for the spearman to move all the way into the city prior to popping the hut.
Instead in 2670 BC, we should simply pop the hut with Pamplona's warriors and not wait the extra turn. If barbarians emerge from it, we then move the spearmen into the city on the very same turn (and move the slaves to safety if the random placement of the barbarians immediately affects them). If no barbarians emerge, Madrid's spearmen should be free to return to Madrid. Pamplona's spearmen should be done in 4-5 turns beyond 2670 B.C.No, and No. We've been over this before.Originally posted by astrologix
dejon, I don't like the idea of the spearman going into Pamplona at 2670 BC. IMO the spearman should stay on the mountains waiting for the warrior going to pop the goody hut (at 2670 BC !).
If there are barbarians in the hut, then, yes, the spearman must go into Pamplona. Otherwise, he should go back to Madrid. Our capital could be threatened by barbarians (why not ?) and the spearman would be to far to defend it if he's located into Pamplona.
This is what (may) happen if we do as either of you advise:
2670 - we pop the hut, spearman is just outside Pamplona. Barbarians are set loose, one right on top of the south cow, next to Pamplona
2630 - Barbarians enter Pamplona to pillage. We go move Spearman into Pamplona - oh, too late!
The crux of the issue is whether the Barbarians play their turn first (before AI and human civs), or last. I believe it is first - can someone confirm this?Comment
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The barbarians do not move before we finish our turn."The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis GandhiComment
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ruby_maser and I are not saying that the spearman must skip his turn at 2670. Just hit the "W" key waiting if there are or not barbarians in the hut. If yes, the spearman will have the time to go into Pamplona before the barbarians move next turn.Comment
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btw, ruby_maser
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