World News & Discussion

[Togas]

I've started this new thread for the purpose of talking more and more about the world ... the big picture. As we move along, I am becoming more and more convinced that we have continents and that the other 3 civs are on a different continent ... or perhaps 2.

Legoland's Nimitz contacted me today and asked to chat. He was joined by Vodrack (who is far more clever and insightful) in the chat. I spoke with both and learned the following:

GoW contacted them via PM. In this conversation GoW hyped the dangers of ND, saying that ND was way ahead of GoW, that ND had contact with 2 other nations, and that ND was a threat to GoW. Lego wanted to know if we'd met ND and if we thought ND was a serious threat.

I let them know that we have met ND and do not consider them a major threat, but are warry of them as they jumped into the lead with their scouts and goodie huts.

Nimitz still believes that they're on a continent with us and GoW (and therefore ND, etc) but Vodrack was more insightful. He told me that he think they're on an island.
He asked me who else we've had contact with, and I made an agreement with them that if I told them, they'd have to tell me who and when they received contact with, and they keep it secret. They agreed.

I let them know that we have contacted GoW, ND, and Lux. They told me that they have yet to meet anyone, and Vodrack said (very good point) that they should have met someone by now, if they had a neighbor.

They're going to rush to Mapmaking, but continue to explore their SE shores for the unlikely land bridge that they hope is there.

Unfortunately, this means that should we also rush to Mapmaking, they will have nothing to trade us upon first contact. We will hold all of the maps, contacts, and techs that they want. We will have to sell them tech for GPT deals.

Perhaps, if we can be assured that their small ships can reach us, we set our Mapmaking research at 10% (to comply with any tech agreements we might make), mass up gold to transform warriors to swordsmen, and trade them tech for mapmaking upon their first contact with us. I would only recommend we take this route if we can be assured that they would contact us first and not some other nation.

It is becoming clear that Vox and GS are either on their own islands, or they both share an island. If they both share an island you can imagine what sort of scuffle those two are going to get into.

--Togas

[Aidun]

Mylord Togas,

The more we explore the more I believe we are very well positioned: not the buffer beween GoW, ND and Lux, having good terrain and resources to trade and enough contact to benefit of it.
About Legoland: I think it is not good to count on trade and contact with them. There is a big chance that Lego cannot cross the sea that seperates their continent and ours. To me it seems that the best thing we can do concerning Legoland is sending an explorer to the west. Eventually we could discover mapmaking to do this by ship.

Aidun Cian

[History Guy]

IN the Diplomacy Hut is a message of the UTMOST urgency, for which immediate response is necessary. The EVIL Warmongers are trying to turn Neu Demogyptica against us by lies and deceit. Their evil leader, Genghis Farb Khan of China has written to Neu Demogyptica letters blatantly stating that we are allying with two other civilizations to destroy them, saying that we convinced Lux Invicta to destroy them, and asked the Warmongers too, but they denied it. This is blatant treachery, sirs, and I turn you to the Diplomacy Hut to read of it.

MY SUGGESTION:

Send these envoys to Lux Invicta, and convince them, with the aid of Neu Demogyptica, that it was a set up to turn Neu Demogyptica against us and the Lux Invictans, and that it was an attempt to start a war between all three of us, which it was. Thus, we should at the earliest possible convenience unite and form an alliance to drive them to destruction, or to force them to pay revenue and be as slaves or mercenaries toward us. We could force the Warmongers to sell themselves out as mercenaries, or be destroyed, and to pay us all a revenue of gold every turn, and to deliver to all of us their new techs, or face total destruction at our hands. Such we could force, or we could threaten total destruction.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Diplomat

[ruby_maser]

All this could easily be blatant lies on the part of ND to prevent us from forming a coalition that might slow their growth or threaten their lead.

I personally think GoW is less a threat than they are.

[History Guy]

Of course it could be, but if so, why include Lux Invicta in on this, for I suggest they be informed of this plot. If it is a plan of their making, as it may well be, it may actually have been one of the sorest mistakes they have made. Let us here from Genghis Farb first. And then, I should like to hear if Lux Invicta has received such a message.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Squid Baron

[History Guy]

Of course, on the other hand, it could be a totally different plot whatsoever. I would rule the Lux Invictans out because though they'd have the means and perhaps even a reason for it, I suspect that too much would go wrong for them. It was either, likely, a Warmonger plot, or some new devilry from the Neu Demogypticans. As well as the motives Senor el Ruby Master laid out, we have this scenario:

It could be a Neu Demogyptican plot to heighten and build anger at the Warmongers, who they truly wish to see destroyed. They could be forming this plot to make us be filled with patriotic fervor and want ever more to whip those Chinese back to Valhalla, and be done with them, for they do fear them, this is clearly evident in their letters. It would build anger everywhere, even in Lux Invicta, and so it would be the perfect way to force our hand against them.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Squid Baron

[E_T]

If it is GoW's Policy to Create such a distrust between all of our Nations, that would be a way for them to make sure that there are Employers for these so called Mercenaries to hire them.

THe best way to fight this kind of thing, is to continue what we are doing and work towards Peace and Stability.

Letus Eta Tamali

[Ninot]

Originally posted by E_T
THe best way to fight this kind of thing, is to continue what we are doing and work towards Peace and Stability.

E_T

I agree.

We will be the ultimate diplomatic nation if we can show that we wish not for the destruction of any nation, but the will to defend the sovreignty of our own, and one that is threatend unfairly.

[Thud]

I agree, at this point we should take an aloof stance with affairs between ND and GoW. We must not take sides this early.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Thud
I agree, at this point we should take an aloof stance with affairs between ND and GoW. We must not take sides this early.

agree

[Arnelos]

I fully agree with E_T's statement above.

[Aidun]

Hernan, the affair with the message that GoW sent to ND to try to initiate war between ND and us, is not very clear to me. How do you know this? Who sent you a message, was it ND?
I suggest that we offer ND a deal. The deal should be not in their advantage. What about a non-agression pact for 30 turns, that's more than the common 20 turns. By making it 30 turns we show that we are not just signing to build many troops to attack them after the treaty expires. We must anyhow show that we are trustworthy and we do trust them too, no matter of what is discussed in this forum.

Aidun Cian

[jdjdjd]

I agree with what everyone else agreed to, and also I like the Non-Agression pact with ND.

Interestingly, GoW proposed the tech deal, with the four civs on our continent, but one of the stipulations was that if their was a war between any of the civs, the tech deal would not be effected.

He wants his squid torte and to eat it too.

[Aidun]

No explanation needed anymore, Hernan, I've read the Diplo thread.

[History Guy]

Squid torte? My word. It sounds abominable. Well...perhaps not. If the squid could be battered into a shell...stuffed with pistachio, loads of nice, thick, sweet cream, and covered in confectionary sugar...