Why is not useful to improve more tiles around Madrid

[OliverFA]

Madrid tiles:

1 Wheat with irrigation and road (4 food 0 production 2 commerce)
1 Grassland with shield and river (2 food 1 production 1 commerce)
2 Grassland with river (2 food 0 production 1 commerce)
1 Desert (0 food 1 production 0 commerce)
7 hills (1 food 1 production 0 commerce)
2 hills with river (1 food 1 production 1 commerce)
1 forest (1 food 2 production 0 commerce)
2 forest with river (1 food 2 production 2 commerce)
1 forest with game and river (2 food 2 production 1 commerce)
1 plains with cow and road (2 food 2 production 1 commerce)
1 coast (1 food 0 production 2 commerce)

At Madrid we are already using the wheat and the cow. The third citizen is likely to go to the game, which has the highest combined production of food and production of the remaining tiles.
This tile could be roaded to obtain an extra commerce unit. And right now is the unic likely alternative I see.

The cow has not easy access to freshwater. If it had we could obtain an extra food from it. mining would not be useful because of the despotism penalization.

Forest and coast cannot be irrigated or mined, so no discussion about that.

Hills and grassland could be mined, but after the despotism penalty it would have the same effect than the game tile. At the moment I see very unlikely that Madrid will have 4 citizens at the near future, so no point in doing that.

About irrigating grassland, it would also be inproductive because of the despotism penalty.

So my plans are to continue roading the shielded grassland in direction to the placement of the new city of Pamplona. But as always I am opened to sugestions.

[Togas]

I do not see Madrid growing past 3 for quite some time. Madrid as excellent food production and should be used for giving birth to Spanish Settlers and workers. As we don't have any luxuries linked up, and have not built a temple, we need to keep our city sizes down to prevent disorder.

--Togas

[Crousto]

Great analysis
But instead of building the road right now, it may be more interesting to build improvements near the 2nd city as soon as possible.

[Togas]

Our worker IS working on a road on the hill to the NW of Madrid. He will be done in 5 turns.

Should we cancel that action and move him next turn with the settler who will be coming out of Madrid?

--Togas

[astrologix]

Originally posted by Togas
Our worker IS working on a road on the hill to the NW of Madrid. He will be done in 5 turns.

Should we cancel that action and move him next turn with the settler who will be coming out of Madrid?

--Togas

Cancelling this action would be a waste of time. My answer is NO cancel.

[E_T]

[OOC]
From the Civilpedea: Any City production squate which produces more than two Food, Shields or Commerce in a despotic government instead produces one less.

So what this means is that the Wheat tile should be producing 5 food, but is one less from despotic,

But if you irrigate a non bonus grassland, you won't see the effect, yet. Roading & mining the hill will give you 2 shields, but the one Grassland with the shield could have been mined and roaded in less time and had two food instead of one.

The Road is good for now, and at the Game, but the worker needs to start heading to the cow valley to help with work there (at the new city)

[/ooc]

Just watching them work makes me tired...

Iwana Eta Tamali

[ThePlagueRat]

Great!
I'm now convinced that we don't need to mine out the hills yet.
Just micromanage Madrid so that it will produce settlers and grow
at an optimal rate. Then we have a great plan of colonization which must be realized asap...

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Togas
Our worker IS working on a road on the hill to the NW of Madrid. He will be done in 5 turns.

Should we cancel that action and move him next turn with the settler who will be coming out of Madrid?

--Togas

I would prefer them to finish the road and then road also the shielded grassland, this way our two cities would be much closer. But roading also the mountains would be too expensive for us at that moment, so after the shielded grassland they should go directly to the new city and then irrigate the cattle.

Edit: typo corrected

[E_T]

[OOC] here is a link to the "Quick guide to irrigation versus mining" in the Stratagy Forum. A good source of info for us for the near future...

E_T
[/ooc]

[pikesfan]

We need to produce another worker. Perhaps Pamplona could produce one and then its worker could build the road with Madrid’s.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by pikesfan
We need to produce another worker. Perhaps Pamplona could produce one and then its worker could build the road with Madrid’s.

Yes, please note that our workers work at HALF the speed of most all of the other teams' workers (since 5 out of 7 teams are industrious). We would need more workers to keep up with them in terms of tile improvements

[E_T]

I suggest that Pamplona build a Temple first, then a Worker, then possibly a Granary, then start alternating Settlers & Workers. For now, Madrid can be the Military Center & other Worker Center, while Pamplona can be the Settler & Worker Station.

I like to try to have a Worker force that is 1.5 to 2 times the number of Cities that I have.

E_T

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by E_T
I suggest that Pamplona build a Temple first, then a Worker

I agree with this plan. A temple at Pamplona is even more urgent than a new worker. Whe need access to the second cattle to make this city really productive. Also, religious is one of our strong points, so we should take advantage of it. What I wonder now if it we should pop rush this temple or not.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by E_T
I suggest that Pamplona build a Temple first, then a Worker

I hope that Madrid create another worker soon then, because we need a second one quicker than this queue would allow for.

[ThePlagueRat]

I do not agree. Settlers first, if we can do it.
Hmm... Temples takes more time, someone do the math?