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Ok, I did my research on the history of Spain and Spanish leadership titles, nobility, etc.......
ANCIENT AGE
Country: Iberia/Hispania
People: Iberians
Language: Iberian, then Latin (probably just stick with Spanish and Latin)
Leadership: Despots and local warlords and governors
Nobility System: Roman model, but with the Tyrant (borrow the Greek term) as the supreme leader under despotism... local "governors" loyal to the capital's 'Tyrant' or some local autonomy (???). "Patricians" would be members of the noble class, though we could use the honorific "Senor".
Religion: Polytheistic, using Phoenician and, later, Roman gods (conversion to Christianity in 1st Century A.D. or whenever we get Monotheism)
EARLY MIDDLE AGE
Country: Kingdoms of Aragon, Castile, Leon, Asturias, Navarre, and Barcelona
People: Spanish
Language: Spanish and Latin
Leadership: independent kings of each kingdom...
Nobility System: Standard European nobility system, using Spanish names for each title
Religion: Roman Catholic Christiandom (we could have the Pope be in Spain or we could found a city called "Rome" for the pope that WE protect
)
REST OF THE MIDDLE AGE
Country: Kingdom of Spain
People: Spanish
Language: Spanish and Latin
Leadership: Standard European nobility system, using Spanish names for each title
Religion: Roman Catholic Christiandom
That's basically what we follow for the rest of time. If a Republican revolution ever succeeds (which was attempted in the 1930s, but never succeeded historically), then we could go to a Republican model with a President rather than a Premiere, etc. We'd have to decide whether our "Republic" or "Democracy" is actually republican or merely a constitutional monarchy which eventually becomes more democratic (the monarch being powerless, as is now the case in modern Spain). Obviously, once "democracy" is established, we'd need a system for allowing "Members of Parliament" (or "MPs"), as commoners, to be the leading figures of the state. Until then, we could remain nobles, even under "republic" (when we could be an aristocratic republic). Communism (should we ever suffer ourselves that...) would obviously entail far more drastic changes
As for the "standard European nobility system with Spanish titles" for once we get Monarchy and beyond... here you go:
Caballero (Knight)
Senor, Senora (Lord, Lady)
Baron, Baronesa (Baron, Baroness)
Visconde, Viscondesa (Viscount, Viscountess)
Conde, Condesa (Count, Countess)
Marques, Marquesa (Marquis, Marchioness)
Duque, Duquesa (Duke, Duchess)
Principe, Princesa (Prince, Princess)
Rey, Reina (King, Queen)
Emperador, Emperatriz (Emperor, Empress)
Explanation of Noble Titles:
Knights ("Caballero" for us) were warriors sworn to protect the crown. Their place in the hierarchy could be similar to Lords, but their core purpose is not the head of a household, but more specifically WAR for the crown. Knights did not necessarily own estates, though many did (as Lords).
Lords ("Senor" for us) are the lord of their manor, not unlike the status of Patricians in the Roman system (the reason why we can use "Senor" throughout the Ancient Age). They are the head of a noble household and lord of a manor. The title is hereditary. The honorific form of address is merely "Senor" ("Senora" for women).
Barons are the tenants-in-chief who held their lands directly from the king (rather than simply being nobles of high social rank, as the the more prolific "Senor"). Once we have feudalism, the king would be able to elevate many of us (if not all of us) to be the Barons or higher ranks of the realm (and we would be higher in rank than mere Senors as well as vassals of the king). The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
Viscounts ("Visconde" for us) were the children of Counts and higher nobility which either did not possess their titles (the holder of the title still being alive) or were descendants of people of this title, but without receiving the title themselves (it having gone to a sibling or other relative, etc.). The title was functionally equivalent to the lower Baron or Senor. The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
Counts ("Conde" for us) were the inheritors of what became known during the middle ages as "counties". They are higher than Barons because of they are the lords of whole counties, not simply a single manor. Counts are equivalent to Bishops in the church hierarchy. The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
A Marquis ("Marques" for us) could be something different in each kingdom... it is above a Count and they could end up being over counts or (more likely) having particularly large counties/territories. The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
A Duke ("Duque" for us) was the highest title of nobility, ranking below the prince of a principality. A Duchy (the territory of a Duke) might include multiple counties and thus the fealty of their respective Counts (and in turn lower nobles). Dukes are equivalent in rank to archbishops in the church hierarchy. The honorific form of address is typically "Your Grace".
A Prince ("Principe" for us) is either the child of a monarch or, in the case of the heir to the throne, the "Crown Prince". A "Prince" could also be the ruler of an autonomous principality (we could do this if we want to have principalities such as Aragon, Castile, Leon, Galicia, Asturias, Navarre, Barcelona, and Portugal be technically autonomous rather than united as the single Kingdom of Spain... an even that took place in the 15th Century). The honorific form of address is typically "Your Grace".
A King ("Rey" for us, though I think we should just use the plain old "King") is the ruler of an independent state/country. We could have multiple "kings" if we decide to have each of the kingdoms of Aragon, Castile, etc to be indeed independent/autonomous kingdoms as they were historically until they were gradually consolidated over time into a single Spanish kingdom with a single "King". Or we could simply keep the single "King" and play different from history. The honorific form of address is typically "Your Grace" as well as "Your Majesty".
Spain only possesed an Emperor ("Emperador" for us) via the Roman Imperators and, later, dual role of Charles V (of the Hapsburg line) as BOTH Holy Roman Emperor (the ruler of Austria and NOMINAL ruler of the various German principalities) as well as King of Spain. I don't think we'll have use for the term, really. The only case where I could see us using it is if we decide to (a-historically) to establish a format similar to the Holy Roman Empire where the "Princes" and other leaders of the various indepenent kingdoms and principalities in Spain elect the "Emperor", who has certainly leadership abilities, but is quite weak as a central figure.
The Church Hierarchy:
The Pope is of course the head of the Church Hierarchy. To be proper the Pope should be in Rome, but obviously that wouldn't be convenient if Rome belongs to the Romans and they aren't Christian. We should coordinate with any other civilizations role-playing as being part of Christiandom to establish a centralized Papacy for ALL of Christiandom and perhaps rotate who is Pope
(and establish a single city that, regardless of who is Pope, is the city in which the Pope resides). If not, we could always FOUND a city and name it "Rome" as the city under our protection in which the Papacy resides.
Archbishops exist on the same level as Dukes. We should probably have no more than 2-3 in all (unless we get really HUGE). I'd expect that we'd have players play as Archbishops (but we wouldn't have anyone PLAY a Bishop unless we had enough extra people). The territory under them is an arch-dioscese and would be composed of many diosceses. The honorific form of address for them is "Your Grace".
Bishops exist on the same level as Counts. The territory under them is a dioscese and might be equivalent to a large city and perhaps any very small surrounding cities (in Civ terms). The honorific form of address for them is "Excellency" or "Your Excellence".
Abbot is the "chief monk" of an abbey or monastary. Don't think we'll ever have that many people, but we very well may have that many.
Priests and Monks, of course...
OFFICES HANDED OUT BY THE TYRANT/DESPOT:
(This is under despotism and PERHAPS early monarchy(?) - Spanish version of the Roman model - as it seems Togas is already using
)
Governor = Administrator of an individual city and those forces garrisoning it (in Civ terms). Answerable directly to the Tyrant.
General = Leader of either a specific detachment of the army or of the whole army (all of them simply referred to as "General", though I suppose we could create a special term for the chief of the generals, assuming there's more than one... it may be more efficient to only have one
).
Admiral = Leader of a/the fleet (same as with general(s)).
Advisor for _____ = The Tyrant could maintain something of a Court of advisors, one for each area for which he feels an advisor would be useful. This would be entirely at the discretion of the Tyrant, of course The Tyrant may even forgo advisors ENTIRELY if that is his wish!
We could also keep something like "Chief Advisor" or "Head Advisor" or "Most Trusted Advisor", etc. This is the VP-equivalent position for democracy-game purposes.
This is ALL under each Tyrant's sole discretion, of course. The structure of the system and the existence of different offices should be expected to change with different tyrannies.
OFFICES HANDED OUT BY THE MONARCH:
Constable = C-n-C of the Army
Marshall = Second in command to the Constable as well as defender of the Royal Household
Admiral = C-in-C of the Navy
Chancellor = Chief Advisor to the Monarch as well as Head of Parliament (if the monarch calls for one). Also VP-equivalent for Democracy-Game purposes.
Treasurer = MoE-equivalent (tracks the budget, keeps track of rushes and stuff like that - but ultimately decisions are made by the MONARCH regarding the royal treasury!)
Duke(s) = The Dukes of any Duchies (regional administrators of regions) would obviously be named by the Monarch. These are OFFICES, not inherited (as Counties - individual cities - would be). You can't be stripped of your title unless you're killed or convicted of treason (and then the king can name a new Duke, not necessarily in your family ).
Pope = decided by a meeting between the various archbishops and bishops in all Christian kingdoms, but the kings of those kingdoms get CONSIDERABLE influence on the picks as well (we'll need a system for it). An individual member of one of those teams would be named Pope and probably could be the ruler of the city in which the Papacy resides along with being Pope (IF the Pope is of the same civ as the city). Obviously not hereditary, but given to another after his death by another election.
Archbishops = Chosen by the Pope among natives from that civilization. Pope's choice(s) can be vetoed by the king/ruler of that arch-dioscese's civilization (the two should have to come to an agreement, both able to veto the other).
Counts/Marquises = The admins of individual cities, much like "Governors" under Despotism. ALL players (even those possessing higher offices) might additionally be a Count or Marquis (if we have enough cities). A Count or Marquis can also double as a Bishop or Arhbishop (quite frequent, actually...) and can additionally be a Duke (regional administrator) or any other office. If there aren't enough cities to go around, then we'll have to work something out... (such as people with national offices temporarily give up their city-admin powers to someone w/o a city, who is nominally a "Baron" or "Viscount" who obtains the powers of a "Count" while the Count is serving as Constable, Marshall, Chancellor, Treasurer, or another high office).
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Ultimately, however, we're probably going to have to alter some of the above proposed system to accomodate a MULTI-PLAYER Civ3 Democracy Game (in which the save needs to be turned around expediently). So the "Count" who is the lord of a city and its surrounding area may only be so in role-play terms and with the ability to set the build-que over prolongued periods. The monarch and his cabinet of national-level advisors should be given authority to override, etc. We'll simply have to discover what will be workable based upon building up experience with the democracy game (monarchy is a ways off yet ). Some sacrifices will have to made in the interests of the game.
ANCIENT AGE
Country: Iberia/Hispania
People: Iberians
Language: Iberian, then Latin (probably just stick with Spanish and Latin)
Leadership: Despots and local warlords and governors
Nobility System: Roman model, but with the Tyrant (borrow the Greek term) as the supreme leader under despotism... local "governors" loyal to the capital's 'Tyrant' or some local autonomy (???). "Patricians" would be members of the noble class, though we could use the honorific "Senor".
Religion: Polytheistic, using Phoenician and, later, Roman gods (conversion to Christianity in 1st Century A.D. or whenever we get Monotheism)
EARLY MIDDLE AGE
Country: Kingdoms of Aragon, Castile, Leon, Asturias, Navarre, and Barcelona
People: Spanish
Language: Spanish and Latin
Leadership: independent kings of each kingdom...
Nobility System: Standard European nobility system, using Spanish names for each title
Religion: Roman Catholic Christiandom (we could have the Pope be in Spain or we could found a city called "Rome" for the pope that WE protect
)REST OF THE MIDDLE AGE
Country: Kingdom of Spain
People: Spanish
Language: Spanish and Latin
Leadership: Standard European nobility system, using Spanish names for each title
Religion: Roman Catholic Christiandom
That's basically what we follow for the rest of time. If a Republican revolution ever succeeds (which was attempted in the 1930s, but never succeeded historically), then we could go to a Republican model with a President rather than a Premiere, etc. We'd have to decide whether our "Republic" or "Democracy" is actually republican or merely a constitutional monarchy which eventually becomes more democratic (the monarch being powerless, as is now the case in modern Spain). Obviously, once "democracy" is established, we'd need a system for allowing "Members of Parliament" (or "MPs"), as commoners, to be the leading figures of the state. Until then, we could remain nobles, even under "republic" (when we could be an aristocratic republic). Communism (should we ever suffer ourselves that...) would obviously entail far more drastic changes
As for the "standard European nobility system with Spanish titles" for once we get Monarchy and beyond... here you go:
Caballero (Knight)
Senor, Senora (Lord, Lady)
Baron, Baronesa (Baron, Baroness)
Visconde, Viscondesa (Viscount, Viscountess)
Conde, Condesa (Count, Countess)
Marques, Marquesa (Marquis, Marchioness)
Duque, Duquesa (Duke, Duchess)
Principe, Princesa (Prince, Princess)
Rey, Reina (King, Queen)
Emperador, Emperatriz (Emperor, Empress)
Explanation of Noble Titles:
Knights ("Caballero" for us) were warriors sworn to protect the crown. Their place in the hierarchy could be similar to Lords, but their core purpose is not the head of a household, but more specifically WAR for the crown. Knights did not necessarily own estates, though many did (as Lords).
Lords ("Senor" for us) are the lord of their manor, not unlike the status of Patricians in the Roman system (the reason why we can use "Senor" throughout the Ancient Age). They are the head of a noble household and lord of a manor. The title is hereditary. The honorific form of address is merely "Senor" ("Senora" for women).
Barons are the tenants-in-chief who held their lands directly from the king (rather than simply being nobles of high social rank, as the the more prolific "Senor"). Once we have feudalism, the king would be able to elevate many of us (if not all of us) to be the Barons or higher ranks of the realm (and we would be higher in rank than mere Senors as well as vassals of the king). The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
Viscounts ("Visconde" for us) were the children of Counts and higher nobility which either did not possess their titles (the holder of the title still being alive) or were descendants of people of this title, but without receiving the title themselves (it having gone to a sibling or other relative, etc.). The title was functionally equivalent to the lower Baron or Senor. The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
Counts ("Conde" for us) were the inheritors of what became known during the middle ages as "counties". They are higher than Barons because of they are the lords of whole counties, not simply a single manor. Counts are equivalent to Bishops in the church hierarchy. The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
A Marquis ("Marques" for us) could be something different in each kingdom... it is above a Count and they could end up being over counts or (more likely) having particularly large counties/territories. The honorific form of address is either "Excellency", "Your Excellence", or "Senor".
A Duke ("Duque" for us) was the highest title of nobility, ranking below the prince of a principality. A Duchy (the territory of a Duke) might include multiple counties and thus the fealty of their respective Counts (and in turn lower nobles). Dukes are equivalent in rank to archbishops in the church hierarchy. The honorific form of address is typically "Your Grace".
A Prince ("Principe" for us) is either the child of a monarch or, in the case of the heir to the throne, the "Crown Prince". A "Prince" could also be the ruler of an autonomous principality (we could do this if we want to have principalities such as Aragon, Castile, Leon, Galicia, Asturias, Navarre, Barcelona, and Portugal be technically autonomous rather than united as the single Kingdom of Spain... an even that took place in the 15th Century). The honorific form of address is typically "Your Grace".
A King ("Rey" for us, though I think we should just use the plain old "King") is the ruler of an independent state/country. We could have multiple "kings" if we decide to have each of the kingdoms of Aragon, Castile, etc to be indeed independent/autonomous kingdoms as they were historically until they were gradually consolidated over time into a single Spanish kingdom with a single "King". Or we could simply keep the single "King" and play different from history. The honorific form of address is typically "Your Grace" as well as "Your Majesty".
Spain only possesed an Emperor ("Emperador" for us) via the Roman Imperators and, later, dual role of Charles V (of the Hapsburg line) as BOTH Holy Roman Emperor (the ruler of Austria and NOMINAL ruler of the various German principalities) as well as King of Spain. I don't think we'll have use for the term, really. The only case where I could see us using it is if we decide to (a-historically) to establish a format similar to the Holy Roman Empire where the "Princes" and other leaders of the various indepenent kingdoms and principalities in Spain elect the "Emperor", who has certainly leadership abilities, but is quite weak as a central figure.
The Church Hierarchy:
The Pope is of course the head of the Church Hierarchy. To be proper the Pope should be in Rome, but obviously that wouldn't be convenient if Rome belongs to the Romans and they aren't Christian. We should coordinate with any other civilizations role-playing as being part of Christiandom to establish a centralized Papacy for ALL of Christiandom and perhaps rotate who is Pope
(and establish a single city that, regardless of who is Pope, is the city in which the Pope resides). If not, we could always FOUND a city and name it "Rome" as the city under our protection in which the Papacy resides.Archbishops exist on the same level as Dukes. We should probably have no more than 2-3 in all (unless we get really HUGE). I'd expect that we'd have players play as Archbishops (but we wouldn't have anyone PLAY a Bishop unless we had enough extra people). The territory under them is an arch-dioscese and would be composed of many diosceses. The honorific form of address for them is "Your Grace".
Bishops exist on the same level as Counts. The territory under them is a dioscese and might be equivalent to a large city and perhaps any very small surrounding cities (in Civ terms). The honorific form of address for them is "Excellency" or "Your Excellence".
Abbot is the "chief monk" of an abbey or monastary. Don't think we'll ever have that many people, but we very well may have that many.
Priests and Monks, of course...
OFFICES HANDED OUT BY THE TYRANT/DESPOT:
(This is under despotism and PERHAPS early monarchy(?) - Spanish version of the Roman model - as it seems Togas is already using
)Governor = Administrator of an individual city and those forces garrisoning it (in Civ terms). Answerable directly to the Tyrant.
General = Leader of either a specific detachment of the army or of the whole army (all of them simply referred to as "General", though I suppose we could create a special term for the chief of the generals, assuming there's more than one... it may be more efficient to only have one
).Admiral = Leader of a/the fleet (same as with general(s)).
Advisor for _____ = The Tyrant could maintain something of a Court of advisors, one for each area for which he feels an advisor would be useful. This would be entirely at the discretion of the Tyrant, of course
The Tyrant may even forgo advisors ENTIRELY if that is his wish!We could also keep something like "Chief Advisor" or "Head Advisor" or "Most Trusted Advisor", etc. This is the VP-equivalent position for democracy-game purposes.
This is ALL under each Tyrant's sole discretion, of course. The structure of the system and the existence of different offices should be expected to change with different tyrannies.
OFFICES HANDED OUT BY THE MONARCH:
Constable = C-n-C of the Army
Marshall = Second in command to the Constable as well as defender of the Royal Household
Admiral = C-in-C of the Navy
Chancellor = Chief Advisor to the Monarch as well as Head of Parliament (if the monarch calls for one). Also VP-equivalent for Democracy-Game purposes.
Treasurer = MoE-equivalent (tracks the budget, keeps track of rushes and stuff like that - but ultimately decisions are made by the MONARCH regarding the royal treasury!)
Duke(s) = The Dukes of any Duchies (regional administrators of regions) would obviously be named by the Monarch. These are OFFICES, not inherited (as Counties - individual cities - would be). You can't be stripped of your title unless you're killed or convicted of treason (and then the king can name a new Duke, not necessarily in your family
).Pope = decided by a meeting between the various archbishops and bishops in all Christian kingdoms, but the kings of those kingdoms get CONSIDERABLE influence on the picks as well (we'll need a system for it). An individual member of one of those teams would be named Pope and probably could be the ruler of the city in which the Papacy resides along with being Pope (IF the Pope is of the same civ as the city). Obviously not hereditary, but given to another after his death by another election.
Archbishops = Chosen by the Pope among natives from that civilization. Pope's choice(s) can be vetoed by the king/ruler of that arch-dioscese's civilization (the two should have to come to an agreement, both able to veto the other).
Counts/Marquises = The admins of individual cities, much like "Governors" under Despotism. ALL players (even those possessing higher offices) might additionally be a Count or Marquis (if we have enough cities). A Count or Marquis can also double as a Bishop or Arhbishop (quite frequent, actually...) and can additionally be a Duke (regional administrator) or any other office. If there aren't enough cities to go around, then we'll have to work something out... (such as people with national offices temporarily give up their city-admin powers to someone w/o a city, who is nominally a "Baron" or "Viscount" who obtains the powers of a "Count" while the Count is serving as Constable, Marshall, Chancellor, Treasurer, or another high office).
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Ultimately, however, we're probably going to have to alter some of the above proposed system to accomodate a MULTI-PLAYER Civ3 Democracy Game (in which the save needs to be turned around expediently). So the "Count" who is the lord of a city and its surrounding area may only be so in role-play terms and with the ability to set the build-que over prolongued periods. The monarch and his cabinet of national-level advisors should be given authority to override, etc. We'll simply have to discover what will be workable based upon building up experience with the democracy game (monarchy is a ways off yet
). Some sacrifices will have to made in the interests of the game.
@ DAVOUT 
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