Discussions on how to best manage the slaves

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by ruby_maser


Bonus tiles first. Thank you

[OOC]
Of course, every civ player knows that there is no point in irrigating not bonus tiles under despotism
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[RP]
I would like to give you my fellow tribesmen a more detailed plan about my intentions about the production of our slaves, but the truth is that no tribemen has ever adventured outside Madrid, so we do not have information on what's out there. We'll have to wait until we receive the first reports to be more precise.
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[OliverFA]

Originally posted by pikesfan


What is this “irrigation”? Can you explain it for me? Does it work on rocks? What does it do for wheat? It sounds suspiciously like the word we use in my valley back home for when we have to go behind the Tavern because we’ve had too much wine

You know? My uncle Pepe likes to play with water. He has a little piece of land next to his cave and made some sort of paths for the water to come into. Now the plants grow quicker and stronger inside that piece of land. We still have to try it in rocks, but I'm afraid that our slaves don't have the tools to make paths in rocks...

[OliverFA]

To road or to irrigate. That's the question

This morning while I was looking for a new assistant aften the sudden death of the previous one a group of tribesmen leadered by Sr. ruby_maser have come to my home to have a chat about the slaves orders.

They have conducted an in depth investigation about the issue. And that's what they have concluded:

If we irrigate the plains w/ cow tile first and switch to work it once the irrigation is done (and road it second), we will get our population growth in 9 turns instead of 10 due to the benefit of the extra food bail per turn coming 3 turns earlier.

The only detractor I can see is the 4 turns of lost revenue the road would provide if we did it first, but our proximity to the river is already providing revenue that we would not otherwise have, and that should make up for it. It is a small thing, I know, but I believe those little advantages might be the edge we need

For what I've seen at the picture of madrid the tile cannot be irrigated (no fresh water nearby), but I'm still trying to upgrade to 1.14f (so no operative copy of PTW) so my asumptions can be wrong. Can someone with acces to the SAVE tell me if the tile can be irrigated or not?

Anyway, feel free to post any coment about what the slaves should do/have done any time from now on.

[ruby_maser]

Re: To road or to irrigate. That's the question

Originally posted by oliverfa
For what I've seen at the picture of madrid the tile cannot be irrigated (no fresh water nearby), but I'm still trying to upgrade to 1.14f (so no operative copy of PTW) so my asumptions can be wrong. Can someone with acces to the SAVE tell me if the tile can be irrigated or not?

Actually, that was a concern of mine too, Oliver. The river is there but the hills always confuse me as to whether it will actually register as irrigatable (is that a word?)

Anyway, I was reassured though by our Great Leader that it was possible. If not, well, I am just a simple clairvoyant halfwit: I foresee many things... half are wrong

[Hot Mustard]

Señor Oliverfa, when we contructed Madrid, we had the foresight to run tributaries from the nearby river throughout the city, essentially irrigating the city. Since the livestock fields are so close to the city, we should be able to irrigate them.

[OOC]
AFAIK, we should be able to irrigate those plains, as a city square is automatically irrigated, and it is next to the city.
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[OliverFA]

Originally posted by dejon
Señor Oliverfa, when we contructed Madrid, we had the foresight to run tributaries from the nearby river throughout the city, essentially irrigating the city. Since the livestock fields are so close to the city, we should be able to irrigate them.

In that case I should send an emissary inmediatly with the new orders. Thank you for your information.

[GodKing]

THe city square is automatically irrigated when it is adjacient to water. However, our city is on a hill, and in civ 3 hills cannot be irrigated. So, is it or isn't it irrigated.

If so, we should have no problem with the cows. If now, build a mine and then clear the deer forests and irrigate there. It will take a while, but it will be worht it as a deer (game) tile in woods is 2 food adn 2 sheilds, in plains it is 3 food. More than enough to provide what you are looking for. Also, the grain / wheet should be available by the time we get done with the cows.... so we have that as an option also.

I recomend that after our first couple of warriors are built, instead of a settler, we pop out a worker first, then move full into rex. this way we can get moving on those improvements faster which will pay off in the long run.

[Hot Mustard]

If you check out the InsideMadrid screenshot(in the 4000BC - Starting Location thread), you'll see that we are getting 2 food from the hill - not possible without irrigation afaik.

[pikesfan]

As the city is next to a river, all squares next to the city which it is possible to irrigate can be irrigated.

[ruby_maser]

sad news...

I set up a scenario based on everything we can see and reasonably infer from the .sav file, and it looks like the cow tile is not going to be able to be irrigated.

The game I set up had, to the best of my knowledge, exactly what we can see in the opening screenshots, and it would not give me the option to irrigate

This will slow us down marginally until we can get the wheat bonus up and irrigated.... which may be a good chunk of turns unless people want to beeline for it now. Now the options are not so clear to get a high yield on our food production.

I hope I set it up wrong, but I don't think I did. More to come...

[OliverFA]

We are still trying to realize the dead of my former assistant, but at least we are managing to rebuild our information channels.

[OOC: I reinstalled PTW and applied directly the 1.14f patch instead of applying first the 1.04f and then the 1.14f. Now I only need to acces the save. If anyone can e-mail it to me (oliverfa@arrakis.es) I will be very grateful]

After all that discussion I don't know if the land will de irrigatable or not, but now it seems they aren't. So if they really are not irrigatable I see two main alternatives:

Alternative 1: Build a road at the tile and then go for something else.

Alternative 2: Forget about the road and go directly to the wheat lands, either directly without building roads or taking some time building roads on our way to the wheat.

[E_T]

A road will help me move my Entertainment Group out to the workers in the Ranches at a faster pace and we could then Return to Madrid sooner, too.

[OOC]
more roads=more trade=faster research and/or more money
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Senor Iwana Eta Tamali

[Crousto]

The slaves are building a road because Madrid's surroundings were too steep to allow irrigation from Rio Tajo. The slaves should have finished within a few turns, now the question is : what next? I'd say we should build a mine in this cows tile to get a great production when Madrid will reach pop 2, then quickly go to the wheat fields (without building a road) to irrigate them and fasten Madrid's growth so it can easily produce settlers.

[Togas]

Originally posted by Crousto
I'd say we should build a mine in this cows tile to get a great production when Madrid will reach pop 2, then quickly go to the wheat fields (without building a road) to irrigate them and fasten Madrid's growth so it can easily produce settlers.

Agree.

--Togas

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Crousto
I'd say we should build a mine in this cows tile to get a great production when Madrid will reach pop 2, then quickly go to the wheat fields (without building a road) to irrigate them and fasten Madrid's growth so it can easily produce settlers.

OOC

But Señor Mendoza, if we built a mine at that place the tile will produce exactly the same output that the tile Madrid is working at that this moment. Since the pop. expansion coincides with the cultural expansion, I supose that Governor Ninot will want to work the wheat tile, so no real need of the mine.

On the other hand the mine would take us several precious turns that we could use to irrigate the wheat tile and get extra food. More food means quicker grow and a settler much sooner if we decide to go for that, or extra production and commerce if the settler is delayed a bit. Anyway we get more of everything if the next job to do is irrigating the wheat.