10AD (28) Orders, Results, Discussion

[Togas]

post away suggestions and orders that we can do now. Most of the orders will be done after we receive the save.

[GodKing]

Just a reminder - GS asked us to road keypad #9 of New Madrid.

[LzPrst]

Why are two soldiers, a spear and a pike heading AWAY from Vigo!?
The enemy can bring to bear Three ansars and a med inf against my city and its defenders are leaving!!? My garrison is left with ONE pike in the city and one on the iron!?
What on earth are you thinking?
Are you playing at abandoning everything and hiding in Pamplona!? Its too late to turn back now, but if my city falls... I'll cut heads from their shoulders, regardless how high and mighty they might be!
Vigo is still our ONLY iron supply and if you believe that some pathetic slave camp will stand unmolested then you are bigger fools than I thought. As it is, Vigo is a thorn in our enemies' side. They have to leave behind garrisons and fight on two fronts, but who needs a strategic advantage. I'm afraid that your discretion has become too great a part of your valor.

Esteban Nuñez de Vigo, Lord of Vigo

(move the Iron cross into the city, lets at least try to defend something )

[LzPrst]

btw CAN I PLEASE GET SCREENSHOTS OF MY CITY :despairing:

[History Guy]

Yes, I agree, Vigo should be defended!

Lord Toledo

[GodKing]

In vigo - IIRC - the spear that was on teh diamond and teh pike that was to the north were moved into it do defend. The other pike, on the iron, is playing the part of deception - showing that we need this iron and will not just give it up.

It doesn't matter if that last pike was or was not moved itno the city. IF (and a big if it is) ND was to go after it, it had less than a 10% chance of survival. And in dying it would only inflict minimal losses on them. Personally, I hope they do attack there rather than to the south. The south is wide open and any assult there is just a disaster for us. All those size 1 cities with no culture and no defenders.....

Personally, I don't think they will attack anything this turn. They should consolidate and try and take out our capitol next turn.

[BigFree]

I thought that Vigo should have been defended as much as possible also; but it was decided to keep some units away from harm and use them to defend elsewhere.

If I am not mistaken, time is on our side here. In that we only need a few turns more in order for GS to bring in its support. By tieing up ND's forces in Vigo, we would have bought that time. Now, as it is, ND only needs one unit to take down Vigo.

Oh well, lets see what happens.

[civman2000]

glad to see that the Inchon trade has passed unnoticed. Unless Vox (I doubt they would) or Legoland is still debating whether to tell GoW and ND, it seems that they have not noticed or decided not to tell them.

[Togas]

The save is here. It will be played later tonight to give everyone a chance to review it and post orders. I have emailed it to many of you. If you did not receive it contact me or anyone else on the team to forward it to you.

I will be gone most of the afternoon. I'll return this evening. Feel free to coordinate with our GS allies for this turn.

Vigo has fallen, there are troops at the gates of Zaragoza. GS has come through and arrived en mass. No GoW units can be seen.

--Togas

p.s. Regarding Vigo -- it was going to fall. Our war calculations indicated that the 4 defenders could kill 1.5 Ansars, who would then have free reign to invade the south of Spain. By keeping 1 pike in the city, the Arabs had to attack with full force (not knowing how many defenders were there). Now that they have it, they will try to kill our defenders (gurilla fighters) who are fortified in the mountains. Attacking us in the mountains will cause far more ND casualties than fighting us in the open plains of Vigo. And having our defenders there will tie up their Ansars AND keep them from easily swooping into our unprotected south.

[Togas]

Unit count for visible ND divisions on the western front:


SW of Zaragoza: 2 pikes, 4 inf

W W of Zaragoza: 1 pike, 1 inf, 1 scout, 2 workers (Spanish)

notes:
there are no ND units near the Nina. They probably are not falling for our bluff.

There are no GoW units in sight anywhere.

Leon is guarded by an Ansar

[Togas]

One more thing pleae Arnelos, Dejon, Godking, etc -- TALK TO GS today while I am away. Meet on Undernet. Chat and plan this next turn. Get things ready so that we can do the save late tonight.

--Togas

[OliverFA]

In case that can be useful for some of you, I've put the save at what used to be the usual site

http://www.arrakis.es/~oliverfa/WarmongeroftheWarmongers10ad.sav

[OliverFA]

Still no GoW sign. That looks a bit strange...

And it's very good to see the GS troops landed on our East coast

[Hot Mustard]

10AD Orders
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Notes
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Turn 0 - 30BC
Turn 1 - 10BC
Turn 2 - 10AD (current turn)
Turn 3 - 30AD

Units referred to by position to nearby cities (using numberpad directions).

[e] - Elite unit; [r] - Regular unit ; [c] - Conscript; all unmarked are veterans.

Orders in Italics are not yet firm.

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Turn 2 - RP

Build Completions
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Pamplona completes MedInf - start Horse

Zaragoza completes MedInf - start Horse

Salamanca completes Walls - start Pike

Military Unit Orders
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Galley by Inchon(Santa Maria)
-move 778

Galley 322 from Bilbao(Pinta)
-move 777

Galley 999 from Barcelona
-move 98

Galley 44 from Santiago(Nina)
-move 896

Forces in Zaragoza
-fortify

OR
We could attack the ND stack (2 Pike, 4 MedInf) 1 from Zaragoza. We have 1 Cat, 7 MedInf, and 3 Horses (from Pamplona) we could attack with. We would attack until there is 1 unit left - we don't want to have any units actually leave Zaragoza.

Forces in Zaragoza:
1 Cat
4 Pikes (3 reg, 1 vet)
7 MedInf (all vet)

Forces in Pamplona
-fortify all except Horses
-move Horses to Zaragoza (77778), fortify

Forces in Pamplona:
7 Cats
10 Pikes (5 reg, 5 vet)
7 MedInf (1 reg, 6 vet)
3 Horses (all vet)
1 Worker (El Nino)

Pike/MedInf in New Madrid
-fortify
Will get whisked to Pamplona when we gift city

Pike in Salamanca
-fortify

Spear 77 from Salamanca
-move 3

Spear[r] in Sevilla
-no changes(already forted)

Pike[r] 88 from Valencia
-move 844

Warrior[r] 8 from Cordoba
-move 8 (towards Merida)

Pike 7 from Vigo
-already forted

Pike 23 from Vigo
-already forted

Spear 23 from Vigo
-fortify


Worker Orders
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2 Workers 2 from New Madrid(Castor and Pollox)
-move 89
Will start roading 9 from NM next turn

Worker 444 from Barcelona(Salamanca Worker)
-just finished roading

2 Workers 7 from Murcia(King's Serfs and Barcelona Worker)
-Road

Worker 6 from Pamplona(Duke Aidun Cian Serfs)
-mine

Workers 6 from Pamplona(GT Worker & NW Worker)
-mining

Worker 233 from Vigo(Winter's Serfs)
-move 23
Will help with southern Iron road

Worker 89 from Sevilla(Dejon Slaves)
-move 8
Will help with southern Iron road

Workers 8889 from Sevilla(Iron Man & Visigoth Slaves)
-roading


City builds
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City Name(shields per turn)
Build item(shields accumulated) in X turns - rush cost, if affordable

Perform rushes for cities with Bolded rush costs

New Madrid(11)
Pikeman(25) in 1

Barcelona(5)
Horseman(5) in 5

Pamplona(11)
Pike(0) in 3

Zaragoza(7)
Pike(0) in 5
Move WF from #1 to #7?

Salamanca(2)
Pike(0) in 15

Merida(3)
Pike(22) in 3 - 32 gold

Sevilla(2)
Warrior(6) in 2 - 16 gold

Cordoba(2)
Spear(7) in 2 - 12 gold

Murcia(1)
Pike(5) in 25

Valencia(3)
Pike(9) in 7


Diplomacy orders
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Gift New Madrid to GS (sell cultural improvements first)
Gift Ivory, Monarcy to GS

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Turn 3 - GS

Accept New Madrid
Move units through
Move settler to 33 of Madrid

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Turn 3 - RP


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Turn 4 - GS

Build port city 33 of New Madrid
Gift New Madrid to RP

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Turn 4 - RP

Accept New Madrid


These orders have been emailed to NYE for him to post in the GS forum for feedback.

[Hot Mustard]

We do finally have an offensive option this turn - we can bombard/attack the ND forces (2 Pikes, 4 MedInf) outside Zaragoza with our 1 Cat and 7 MedInf in Zaragoza.

Those forces are not a threat themselves, but combined with a decent number of the Ansars, they would be.

Note that we are sending the 3 horses from Pamplona up to Zaragoza this turn as well.