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    I'm just going to go ahead and on behalf of the whole team ask this of everyone.

    It is IMPERATIVE that RP Team continue to display the role of a team which is being ganged up upon by 2 powers when in public. We must not display a level of overt arrogance or smugness that allows our enemy to suspect what just might lie in wait for them.

    Ideally, we want the things we are going to do to surprise our enemies to be SURPRISES. We want to knock their friggin' socks off.

    So, in our conduct in the public forums and in chats where anyone from a team OTHER THAN GS is present, we will remain dour, yet prideful in our valiant attempt to defend the doomed Spanish civilization.

    As our losses come in from the battlefield, we will mourn them appropriately, curse the enemies who have caused them, fight on bravely, and pray for salvation. As surprises come up, we will let the enemy (as much as possible) come to their own conclusions. If Togas or we as a team decide a statement can/should be made that prods something about a surprise already revealed, that's fine, but we don't want to be gloating over the little surprises too much. We should certainly be trying to act naturally within the context of their existence, but ultimately the little surprises aren't enough... if that was all we had under our sleeve, Spain would still be doomed.

    When and if GS legions start marching in our territory and we're fighting a joint war against the enemy, THEN and ONLY THEN should anyone even dare to mention that we have an agreement with GS in public (unless specfically authorized by Togas or the full House of Lords to share this information).

    I really really really want to (metaphorically) see the look on GoW's faces (and ND's) when they start facing GS, Spanish, and perhaps even Lego armies.

    Even then, we should NOT disclose the actual nature of our agreement with Gathering Storm. The only thing we can or should say is that GS has come to our aid (or Lego, if they do as well). If the situation calls for it and this is cleared for public discussion, perhaps we can even mention that we provided "payment" for the aid, but certainly not what the payment was.

    Ultimately, I don't think it would be wise to divulge just what the nature of the agreement between Spain and GS is until it's absolutely obvious to everyone that some sort of long-term alliance has been worked out for the rest of the game. Until EVERYONE already realizes it, it's not to be uttered. This is because such an alliance is potentially so powerful for ending the game that if it is known to exist, ALL other powers will be obligated to gang up against it, including Legoland.

    So it is absolutely imperative that it never be mentioned, especially to Legoland, but also to anyone else.

    If we're going to join in a partnership with GS and try to jointly make sure they (and we with them) win the game, we don't want to mess it up by warning everyone! It works best when it hits everyone completely by surprise.

    Besides... just control your temptation to spill the beans early for tiny pleasures and you can get LOTS AND LOTS OF ENJOYMENT if this thing is kept a secret, works out, and you get to watch the cries of surprise, shock, and exasperation on the part of our enemies when the truth is finally revealed naturally.

    So PLEASE have some patience and keep this absolutely and completely classified.

    We are the ROLEPLAY Team, damnit, and if we can't roleplay as a team which knows it's defeated and is just trying to valiantly struggle to the end, then no-one can.

    So keep that in mind... this is how "roleplay" may end up saving our *sses in the end if we do it right and GS cooperates.
    Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
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    7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy Game

  • #2
    I'll do this, but only as long as the "benefits" of Egyptian rule aren't as restrictive as Togas made it sound. I don't want our civilization to be virtual slaves to their whim. I'd rather we were conquered totally by our enemies.
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    • #3
      Re: CLASSIFIED: GS Agreement

      Originally posted by Arnelos

      Besides... just control your temptation to spill the beans early for tiny pleasures and you can get LOTS AND LOTS OF ENJOYMENT
      Should I be enthusiastic about mighty Spain begging to foreign powers? Must I be ecstatic that we will be consigned to the ranks of 2nd class power and 3rd class citizens on our own Bob?

      I see no pleasure in any of this. I see only a life crushed under the heavy yoke of GS imperialistic expansionistic ambitions.When others are celebrating, allow me to mourn the death of an independent Spain.
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      • #4
        I agree with your statement, Senor Where Its At! There is no "enjoyment" to be derived by such an insult to our national pride.
        Empire growing,
        Pleasures flowing,
        Fortune smiles and so should you.

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        • #5
          Should I be enthusiastic about mighty Spain begging to foreign powers? Must I be ecstatic that we will be consigned to the ranks of 2nd class power and 3rd class citizens on our own Bob?

          I see no pleasure in any of this. I see only a life crushed under the heavy yoke of GS imperialistic expansionistic ambitions.When others are celebrating, allow me to mourn the death of an independent Spain.
          I agree fully and tried to explain our position in the chat, but remember, we have moved to a more democratic form of government, and the majority believe this is the best for Spain....

          (However, we hope it not to be so unfortunate, GS and Lego accidentally let us keep a little more than we should, and we stealthily reclaim our rightful positions as winner)
          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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          • #6
            Right thing for Spain, eh? Ceding our lands? Taking orders from greasy Egyptian merchants?

            I don't believe that they'll cut us a fair deal. They are in this for their gain, not ours. We made a mistake letting our government listen to China, and I do not intend that we make another such mistake.

            We must have terms that give us as much power as possible. The ideal of our state becoming vassalized cannot and will not be tolerated.

            Lord Toledo
            Empire growing,
            Pleasures flowing,
            Fortune smiles and so should you.

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            • #7
              I hate it too, but what can we do? we won´t be able to stand alone by ourselves with GoW & ND on our throats, and with GS admitting that tehy would love to split our coast! This is the best we can do, hold untill we can be in a position to backstab.
              And after this if we survive I think we still can win. Remember, we still have a GA forward... and good teammembers. Besides, this proverbial piece of paper we are signing must mean the smae to us as our MPP meant to GoW... nothing. Use it while it suits you.
              Señor Nuclearis Winterius the III,
              Diplomat with the Voxians, and also
              Señor Pablo Winterius, missionary Bishop and Archbishop of the Roleplay team

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              • #8
                NW said my argument. I don't like the basic idea, but unless someone else can think of another way for us to survive, it's our best bet.

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                • #9
                  We cant get Lego and GS to intervene without vassalising ourselves? It is in their interests to keep Bob divided and weak. ND will become way too powerful and eventually they'll smash GoW as well. GS knows this, but they're using our COWARDICE to squease as much as they can out of us!
                  I WILL NOT ACCEPT VASSALIZATION!!!
                  Alliance yes, compensation to the Egyptian mercenaries, yes, bend over? HELL NO!!!
                  Diplogamer formerly known as LzPrst

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by History Guy
                    Right thing for Spain, eh? Ceding our lands? Taking orders from greasy Egyptian merchants?
                    These lands are theirs in any case. They will get the lands from our agreement, of as spoils of war as soon as they realize that there will be no agreement and that we are death.

                    On the other hand, those arab lands can certainly compensate what we give to them.

                    As NW said, I also would prefer to stand them alone, but these cannot be possible. Lets touch with our feet on earth and see our REAL options.
                    "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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                    • #11
                      Why can we not get these fat fellows into the war without first giving them power over us?

                      I will not live in a vassalized Spain. I will die before that ever happens.

                      Lord Toledo
                      Empire growing,
                      Pleasures flowing,
                      Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                      • #12
                        Lord Toledo, if you would rather die than live in a Vassalized Spain, then you will die. The difference is, ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE and your family will die too.

                        I do not mind if any of you nobles have the honor and will to fight and die for your people. Making such a decision is noble, yes, but seeing to is that everyone you love and protect dies with you, THAT is irresponsible and reprehendable. It is ignoring the burden of leadership and thinking only of your pride. The burden of leadership is ensuring that what is best for your people is carried through, not what is best for your honor.

                        --Togas
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                        Member of the Mercenary Team in the Civ 4 Team Democracy Game.
                        Former Consul for the Apolyton C3C Intersite Tournament Team.
                        Heir to the lost throne of Spain of the Roleplay Team in the PTW Democracy Multiplayer Team Game.

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                        • #13
                          My feelings are with all of you. I want to best for Spain, but sadly we have no choice. We should be happy that they are willing to help us, specially after we not doing anything to help them during the GS-Vox war.

                          If I've understood the treatys correctly, this will be a partnership. They will be the senior partnership, but this is reasonable because they will provide the greatest part and BECUASE WE NEED THEM.
                          "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                          "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Togas
                            The burden of leadership is ensuring that what is best for your people is carried through, not what is best for your honor.

                            --Togas
                            Very wise words
                            "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                            "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                            • #15
                              Damn it!
                              I see no other choices, but... vassalization
                              Surely our diplomats must be able to fetch us a better deal than the surrender of our eastern seaboard. 1 city as a base yes, a full annexation of our coastal cities?
                              It is too shameful

                              OOC btw where is the chat being held?
                              Diplogamer formerly known as LzPrst

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