30bc (26): Orders, Results, Discussion

[Togas]

post away

[Togas]

This turn shall be played on Saturday. I need everyone in chat between 3-6pm EST to play the save.

Dejon, in particular, is needed.

Dejon -- if you cannot come then, please post when you can be there.

--Togas

[LzPrst]

Let me take command of the armies and I will turn our weaknes to advantage, chase the enemy from our lands! We can and will WIN!!! Defeatist attitudes and cowards has led us to where we are now. Let us fight for the glory of our nation and our ancestors!

[LzPrst]

btw I MUST HAVE SCREENSHOTS! THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!!!

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Togas
This turn shall be played on Saturday. I need everyone in chat between 3-6pm EST to play the save.

Dejon, in particular, is needed.

Dejon -- if you cannot come then, please post when you can be there.

--Togas

I shall be there. Apologies for not checking in yesterday - another busy day followed by a social engagement that I had forgotten about.

[Togas]

I have posted screenshots of the invasion. You can find them at: the Spain page

--Togas

[BigFree]

We will wait till Sunday to play the save,we still have much to discuss and we are waiting for GS to approve of Alliance. nye says it is almost there and will likely pass. If GS didn't think it woud pass thet would have even bothered talking to us about it.

Dejon will send move orders' via email to GS to coordinate stuff with them.

[Togas]

NOTE: If at all possible, we will play the save TONIGHT. Prior to 12 midnight PST.

Reason: I told the other teams we'd play the save on Saturday and I'd like to try to keep my word with them. From the sound of things, we've worked out a grand plan with GS and we will get it confirmed and ratified tonight, and then play the save.

So all of you nightowls, please hang around.

... and hope that I've finally fixed my internet connection problems.

--Togas

[Hot Mustard]

The strat gurus of GS have been invaluable. I'll get a complete summary up later, but here's the highlights:

-We land our horses near Inchon, they gift the city to us, we capture 6 catapults beside the city and move everything into the city, we make peace and gift the city back to them - when they accept the city all our units (2 horses, 6 cats) will be teleported to Pamplona)

-We will gift Bilbao to them. They have agreements with GoW that mean GoW will be at war with them if they attack Bilbao them - freeing them to act in more ways.

-We will gift Santiago to them. This is unlikely to stop ND from taking it, but will result in ND breaking an agreement with GS, or delay them. Santiago is a loss regardless, so it makes little difference.

-Next turn we will gift New Madrid to GS (after rushing the Pike). This will allow the units they will have landed East of the city to move through it and towards the front(s). They will hold the city another turn before gifting it back, which will allow them to build a temporary port city SE, SE of New Madrid. Their port city will allow them to quickly unload and move ferried units. The "first wave" of their units will consist if 16 units (MedInf and Knights).

-We will declare war with ND by breaking the peace treaty in the diplomacy, not by attacking.

-We will pillage the road S of Santiago with our Sword, after moving the MedInf to Leon. We pillage the road E of Santiago with a regular Pike after moving everything else to Zaragoza.

...more details to follow after dinner.

[History Guy]

Togas,

Here is the Pope's list of troop names for some units.

Northwest Front
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Smashing Maul - Soldiers of Truth
Vigo Guard - The Pope's Bannermen
Lisboa Guard - The Chosen Few

Northeast Front
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Bashing Maul 1 - The Crusaders
Bashing Maul 2 - The Templars
Bashing Maul 3 - Order of the True Cross
Bashing Maul 4 - The Seraph Band
Toledo Guard - St. Iago's Pike
Pikeman - Lance of God
Pamplona Guard - The King's Own Lancers
Madrid Guard - The Swiss Guard

Central
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Bashing Maul 5 - Knights of St. John
Bashing Maul 6 - Sword of Truth
Salamanca Guard - Order of the Holy Spirit
Merida Guard - Order of the Blood of Christ
Sevilla Guard 1 - St. Isidore's Lancers
Sevilla Guard 2 - God's Wrath
Cordoba Guard - Order of the Sacred Name

East Coast
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Valencia Guard - The Jesuit Guard
Bashing Maul 7 - Ignatius's Bashers
Guardia Observatoria - Pale Riders

[History Guy]

Sounds good, Dejon.

[Hot Mustard]

Strategic Summary

Notes/Legend
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Turn 0 - 30BC
Turn 1 - 10BC
Turn 2 - 10AD
Turn 3 - 30AD

Units referred to by numberpad relations to proximate cities, RP unit names in brackets.

Unfinalized orders marked with an asterisk*

[e] - Elite unit; [r] - Regular unit ; [c] - Conscript; all unmarked are veterans.

Anyone is free to offer suggestions to questions I pose in the orders or the "Concerns" at the bottom.

"Turn 0 - RP" is all our detailed orders and information for the current turn. The remainder of the GS/RP turn arrangements are at the bottom.

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Turn 0 - RP

Build Completions
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New Madrid completes Pike - start another Pike

Santiago complete Pike - start another Pike (not that it matters)

Unit Orders
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Galley by Inchon(Santa Maria)
-unload horses (Armada Rider 1 and Watch Rider 2) to Inchon-3
*-move 488
Waiting to move into Inchon was discussed, but research was to be done on where it would

end up.

Galley 322 from Bilbao(Pinta)
-move 889
Harass GoW galleys

Galley 44 from Santiago(Nina)
-move 888
Play on ND nerves by travelling coastline. (They don't know its empty.)

Warrior[c] 999 from Bilbao(Bulgar Warriors)
-disband
Save a gpt, remove a possible promotion/GL generator for GoW

Horse 7 from Bilbao(Watch Rider)
-move 3 into Bilbao
Will get moved to Pamplona when city gift is accepted.

Stack 89 from Toledo(Bash stack)
-move 2
Going to Toledo. May get whisked to Pamplona by gifting Toledo, or may defend/counterattack against GoW stack - uncertain at this time.

Stack composition:
4 Pike - 3 reg, 1 vet
4 MedInf - 1 reg, 3 vet

Worker 99 from Toledo(El Nino)
-move 1

Worker 6 from Toldeo(Small Fry)
-move 4
Will add to Toledo for city size 7 defense bonus.

2 MedInf 2 from Toledo(Bashing Maul 5 & 6)
-move 8
May get whisked to Pamplona by gifting Toledo, or may defend/counterattack against GoW stack - uncertain at this time.

2 Pikes in Toledo(Madrid Guard & Pamplona Guard[r])
-no changes (already forted)
Defenders. May get whisked to Pamplona by gifting Toledo, or may defend/counterattack against GoW stack - uncertain at this time.

Worker in New Madrid(History Guy Serfs)
-add to city
Defense bonus

2 Pikes in New Madrid(new Pike & Valencia Guard)
-fortify
Defenders - will get whisked to Pamplona when we gift city (in Turn 1)

Pike[r] 47 from New Madrid(Salamanca Guard[r])
-move 441 (into Pamplona)
Other plans in place for Toledo/Madrid - return to Pamplona

Pike 1 from Pamplona(Merida Guard)
-move 9 (into Pamplona)
-fortify
Defender

Pike[r] and MedInf[r] 44 from Barcelona(Barcelona Garrison & Bashing Maul 7)
-move 668
Going to New Madrid - will get whisked to Pamplona when we gift city (in Turn 1)

2 Workers 1 from Barcelona(Castor and Pollox)
-irrigate
Nothing better to do - sticking to worker planning.

Worker 444 from Barcelona(Salamanca Worker)
-road
Nothing better to do - sticking to worker planning.

2 Workers 9 from Murcia(King's Serfs and Barcelona Worker)
-roading, complete in 2 turns

Pike[r] in Murcia(Murcia Guard)
-no changes(already forted)

Warrior[r] 1 from Cordoba
-move 9 (into Cordoba)

Spear[r] in Sevilla
-no changes(already forted)

Pike[r] in Merida
-move 998
Going to Pamplona for defense.

Spear[r] 9 from Merida
-move 889
Going to Pamplona for upgrade, defense.

2 Workers 98 from Sevilla(Visigoth Slaves and Dejon Workers)
-road
Building southern road to existing and second iron

Worker 7777 from Merida(Iron Man)
*-build Iron colony
This move may change, as we can get iron from GS if needed.

Spear[r] 112 from Vigo(Lisboa Guard)
-move 8
Going to Vigo for defense.

Pike[r] 7 from Vigo(Iron Guard)
-move 3 (into Vigo)
Defender

Worker 8 from Vigo(Winter's Serfs)
-move 2 (into Vigo)
Just to save him. Might add to Vigo, but can't sustain size 7 for long due to food.

2 Workers 9 from Vigo
-move 966 (into Leon)
Saving them.

Pike 88[r] from Vigo(Vigo Guard)
-move 3
Going to Vigo for defense.

MedInf[r] 2 from Santiago(Smashing Maul 7)
*-move 36 (into Leon)
Could switch tasks with Sword, which is better?

Sword[e] 2 from Santiago(The Last Cutting Edge)
*-pillage road
Slow down ND units after capturing Santiago.
Could switch tasks with Sword, which is better?

1st Pike[r] in Santiago
-move 932 (into Leon)
Defender. ND will not know the total defense in Leon, just that it is defended, and Santiago is not.

2nd Pike[r] in Santiago
-move 6
-pillage road
Slow down ND units after capturing Santiago - deny slow moving units quick access.

Catapult in Santiao
-move 669 (into Zaragoza)
Defend most important city in area.

Stack 6 from Santiago
-move 69 (into Zaragoza)
Defend most important city in area.

Stack composition:
2 Pikes - 1 reg, 1 vet
6 MedInf - all vet

2 Pikes[r] in Zaragoza
-no changes(already forted)

1st Worker 2 from Zaragoza(GodKing Worker)
-move 8 (into Zaragoza)
-add to city
City Size 7 defense bonus

2nd Worker 2 from Zaragoza(Duke Aidun Cian Serfs)
*-move 33
Going to Gold mtn(6 from Pamplona)

2 Workers 6 from Pamplona(GT Worker & NW Worker)
-mining, complete in 8 turns

City builds
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City Name(shields per turn)
Build item(shields accumulated) in X turns - rush cost, if affordable

Bilbao(1)
Spearman(4) in 16 turns

Toledo(7)
Walls(14) in 1

New Madrid(11)
Pikeman(0) in 3
We'll rush next turn before gifting city

Barcelona(5)
Galley(26) in 1

Pamplona(11)
MedInf(22) in 2 - 72

Zaragoza(11)
MedInf(30) in 1

Leon(5)
Pike(5) in 5 - 100

Santiago(2)
Pike(0) in 15

Vigo(6)
*Cat(11) in 2 - with GS cats coming, we may want to change this

Salamanca(1)
Cat(3) in 17 - 68

Merida(3)
Pike(16) in 5 - 56

Sevilla(2)
*Spear(2) in 9 - 72
Could change to Warrior - upgradeable to MedInf

Cordoba(1)
*Spear(4) in 16 - 64
Could change to Warrior - upgradeable to MedInf

Murcia(1)
Spear(3) in 17 - 68
Could change to Warrior - upgradeable to MedInf

Valencia(3)
Pike(3) in 9 - 108

Diplomacy orders
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Gift Bilbao and Santiago to GS at end of turn, accepted (sell any cultural improvements first)

*Break peace deal with ND to declare war.
GS members testing WW results of this

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Turn 1 - GS

Accept Bilbao and Santiago from RP
Move cats beside Inchon (6 or 9 of Inchon)
Gift Inchon to RP (sell any cultural improvements first)
Gift Engineering to RP
Load forces onto galleys, set sail for New Madrid

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Turn 1 - RP

Accept Inchon from GS
Attack/capture GS cats next to Inchon
Move all horses and cats into Inchon
Offer peace, Inchon, RoP, and luxes to GS

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Turn 2 - GS

Accept peace, Inchon, RoP, luxes from RP
Land first wave of units 6 of New Madrid

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Turn 2 - RP

Gift New Madrid to GS(sell any cultural improvements first)

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Turn 3 - GS

Accept New Madrid
Move units through
Move settler to 33 of Madrid

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Turn 3 - RP


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Turn 4 - GS

Build port city 33 of New Madrid
Gift New Madrid to RP

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Turn 4 - RP

Accept New Madrid


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Concerns

We are banking on ND playing their offensive cautiously. If they go for Leon straight off, it will be trouble. From there they can attack Pamplona next turn. Leon will only have two defenders(1 pike, 1 medinf) next turn when ND has their turn. The next turn Pamplona will have 2 pikes, 2 horses and 6 cats before ND could attack. Should we starting moving the New Madrid defenders there now to beef the defenses?

Which unit is better to pillage the road south of Santiago? The sword or the MedInf?

Unsure of diplomacy options allowable in war - will we be able to offer RoP, luxes and

Inchon when at war? Can we do multiple deals?

Galley on GS shore - move into Inchon as well, or sail around?

Don't really need Iron colony now for backup iron source - orders for that worker?

Can only afford one unit rush this turn - which is best? I'm thinking the Pike in Leon, despite the high cost.

[Togas]

Results

War has not yet been declared.
All of Vox now belongs to GS.
One Vox city appears on the minimap in Lego Minor.
Vox is in Anarchy
Mil Strengths remain the same.

GIFTED Santiago and Bilbao to GS

Still in technical peace with ND and GoW

An extensive renaming process resulted in....

military:
GuObs NE
Christ's Pilgrims NE, NE, NE
The chosen Few N
Disciples for Christ NE
Republican Volunteers N, N, NE
DISBAND Bulger Warriors
Watch Rider SE
Christ's Martyrs N (into Toledo), FORT
Brotherhood of the Sacred Cup S
ENTIRE Watch Mountain Stack S
Jesuit Guard & Brothers in Christ (in Madrid) move NW, W (towards Pampl)
Pikes of the Red Rose W, W, SW (into Pamplona)
Pope's Bannermen SW
Sword of Truth SE, E, FORT (in Leon)
Soldiers of Truth PILLAGE road
Our Father's Keepers E, SE, S (into Leon)
Main Western Stack E, NE (into Zaragoza), FORT
Catapult, E, E, NE
Cardinal NW Republican Division E, PILLAGE road
The Savior's Men NE (into Pamplona), FORT
Pikes of Innocence & Spanish Martyrs E, NE, NE (now north of Barcelona)
King's 2nd Guard, Pikemen of the Holy Trinity S, S, SW (on the road to Pamplona)

Armada Rider 1&2 E
Santa Maria W, N, N
Pinta N, N, NE
Nina N, N, N


workers:
Dejon & Visigoth ROAD
King's ROAD
Caster & Pollox N (so that we can build needed roads for GS to use around Madrid)
Iron Man S
Salamanca ROAD
El Nino SW
Small Fry W
History Guy ADDED TO MADRID
Winter's Serf S
Afortunado & Ruby NE, E, E (into Leon)
Godking N, ADD TO ZARAGOZA
Aidun SE, SE


cities:
Madrid finishes Pike. Starts on Pike -- now at 15spt! It can build pikes every other turn.
Santiago finishes Cat. Starts on Pike
Vigo RUSHED pike
Salamanca changed to PIKE
Sevilla changed to warrior
Cordoba changed to warrior
Santiago SOLD temple (for only 3g ... it would be erased anyhow in the exchange)

Shots posted here

--Togas

[BigFree]

Great Job dejon and Togas!

The worker in Vigo cannot be added, it has no river or aqueduct needed to go to size 7.

Good move on the decoy empty Galley!

I would have rushed Walls in Leon this turn.

I think we have en execelent chance at holding Toledo from GoW.

[OliverFA]

The dark clouds on the horizon look a bit less dark. This detailed plan looks awesome. Let's hope we receive also some help from God to support us.