The Great Western Settlement Thread

[E_T]

Our just and wise King, Justino Togas, has issued an Royal Edict, calling for the further expansion of Espanola:

Originally posted by Togas
Our nation is still behind, and with so much land to fill and with Pamplona now dedicating itself to building "capital worthy" improvements, it comes time for us to ask, one last time, for a major settler boom. I've discussed this matter with E_T and he is strongly urging us to do this.

The way I see things, if every major city (Toledo, Pamplona, Zaragoza, Santiago, Barcelona) + Leon builds 1 settler, we will then have all of our remaining land settled. ONE LAST SETTLER and then a mixed focus of military, workers, and marketplaces.

Our numbers are growing, and while we'd take a dive when all of these settlers are built, we'll rise up faster in the long term with so many cities growing. Plus, more cities = more support for our military, and every single tile worked gives us trade to help our economy.

Therefore I now issue a Royal Edict that will begin the Great Western Settlement. I ask that the Lords volunteer to produce a settler in each of your fiefdoms. Those who can, please do now. Those who need to finish a project may do so later. However, the crown may overrule your curent project in accordance with this Royal Edict if it is deemed that a settler is urgent in your city.

Please post your questions or suggestions on this issue.

--Togas

This is where we will look at all of our options and look at what we need to do to accomplish this great tasking from our King. All Of Spain is welcome to come and discuss this with us in chat, at any time. This thread will be used for formal plans.

E_T

[Togas]

The Great Western Settlement demands that FIVE settlers be sent immediately to our unsettled western territory. However, a minimum of SEVEN settlers are required.

2-3 of those settlers shall be needed to fill in other city sites, one to the NE of Pamplona, one to the east of New Madrid, and POTENTIALLY one to the east of Bilbao, depending on how the Arabs build in that area.

--Togas

[Hot Mustard]

I will be investigating Leon and Salamance shortly for their contributions to this movement...

For the meantime, I would like to say that I would like to see the remaining coastal sites get highest priority. I believe there are 4, including the hill to the NE of Bilbao.

[E_T]

This is what I propose

Vigo - change to a granary and then build a settler. We may change the WF assignments to get the granary built faster, but we do NOT want it's size to increase before it's granary is built.

Santiago - change to a settler, then build a granary

Zaragossa - should continue to build Mil Units, but if it's Govenor thinks that It's appropriate, then it can build a worker or 2, from time to time.

Leon - can be the next Rex/Worker center, but it will likely have to invest in a granary after it's settler is built.

Barcelona - should finish it's Galley and then build a Settler. After wards, it should get a granary built to help with it's size.

Toledo - a Mil Unit, after the Barracks, then a Settler. After that, a mix of mil units and settlers/workers. but mostly mil units.

Madrid will continue to ramp up, as it can be a sheild powerhouse in a relatively short time.

[EDIT] Pamplona - as R_M is working at getting a granary built there before it grows to size 7, one more settler from there might help him with that, too[/edit]

All cities - we want then to have a granary before they reach size 7, as that will add 10 food to the next level to get to.

Production Potential - i.e. build what you can in a relatively short time. If a city has a large Production capability, then it should build things like Markets. Libraries and higher cost mil units. If a city can't produce much, then it should work on things that it can build relatively soon, like Temples, catapults, warriors and spearmen (if not connected to the capitol) and workers. Also, it they have the potienal to be a good producer, but they have slow growth, then granaries are in order.

E_T

[Aidun]

I would like to keep Zaragoza building military units instead of settlers to keep its high shield production.

Besides, new cities should also be defended properliy, as well as the existing ones, so I request the King to make an exception for Zaragoza in his edict.

Duke Aidun Cian of Zaragoza

[E_T]

As for the workers that we currently have, they will mostly be working with getting the extra luxes connected up for trading with GS, but there will be a few excemptions to this.

E_T

[Hot Mustard]

Leon:
Current build settler complete in 290BC. As we are looking at getting many cities involved, a granary in Leon will not help by the time it would be finished. Another settler built right away can be finished in 10 turns (14 from now). By that time, we should be almost complete all the settlers we'll need. So Leon can contribute 2 settlers to the plan.

Salamanca:
If needed, this city can complete a settler in 14 turns. However, it would need undisturbed use of the Pamplona forest from 250BC until completion. Obviously, the side effect of using Salamanca for a settler is that it would seriously delay building it into an effective city.

We need 7 settlers, and by E_T's suggestions, we can get them from: Vigo - 1, Santiago - 1, Leon - 2, Barcelona - 1, Toledo - 1; Pamplona - 1. If for some reason Pamplona, Barcelona, or Santiago should be excluded from the list, Salamanca could step in.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by E_T
[EDIT] Pamplona - as R_M is working at getting a granary built there before it grows to size 7, one more settler from there might help him with that, too[/edit]

All cities - we want then to have a granary before they reach size 7, as that will add 10 food to the next level to get to.

Actually size 7 will add 20 food bails to what is required for growth, but I am now considering holding off on the granary in Pamplona until size 8. In my current SP game I noticed that game mechanics made granaries at size 7 pointless. They work at size 6 and size 8, but for some reason the change in designation to "city" at size 7 empties the granary out completely and the cycle starts again. I assume it does so at size 12, too.

Admittedly, I am using the AU mod, but I'm gonna play a normal game and see if it just something I never noticed. If so, a granary would be more appropriately timed at just before size 8. I'll post back the results.

[ruby_maser]

Well, I played an old game I had saved and went about tinkering around with building granaries in certain situations, and it does seem that size 7 wipes the slate clean for granaries that were already built prior to this. As the city fills the 40 bails required to get to size 8, it automatically registers when 20 bails are done that the granary has been replenished.

This would seem to suggest that building a Settler at size 8 is a bad idea. Better to wait until size 9 to drop 2 pop. points because it will not effect the growth or what the granary contains for size 7. However, vascillating from 8 to 6 means having to wait the extra turns while the granary refills when the city returns to size 7.

Knowing this, building a granary in Pamplona just prior to size 7 would be meaningless and more effective at just prior to size 8. No consolation for having it already built long ago, but this would have been overkilll for a city with Pamplona's growth potential at smaller pop. levels.

Anyway, I will adjust my plans accordingly. We can now build the settler that the edict requires and, maybe, the marketplace before going for the granary (depending on how it works out with timing).

Lord Togas, the marketplace is 100 shields and 17 turns at the current pop. level and tile improvements so I will post orders based on building the settler first.

[astrologix]

I don't want to build a settler after the galley completion. Barcelona is growing slowly and remains our only coastal city able to build ships. This city needs to keep its potential to build ships fast. I think we need at least 6 galleys in the near future. One or two to explore and 4 to transport ground units.

We need to remain ready to act with our fleet and not fall in a hurry when more ships were needed.

I ask our King to let Barcelona continue its naval duties, even to let her to build a temple in order to maintain its population happy. This city could possibly build a granary/marketplace/library if the war threats diminish in the future.

[Togas]

Seven Settlers:

Leon = 2
Santiago = 1
Pamplona = 1
Toledo = 1
Vigo = 1

Either Zaragoza, Barcelona, Madrid, or Salamanca is going to have to pitch in a settler OR Pamplona will have to make 2.

Please post how you would assign the 7 settlers.

--Togas

[History Guy]

Senor Tamale,

Toledo finishes the Barracks in just a matter of days. Then, we shall begin work on Medieval Infantry. Once this is completed, we shall begin work on a settler.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

[Hot Mustard]

So we have a few cities that are borderline on building a settler. Here's a crazy thought - how about we produce a worker in one of the cities and send it to join a different one of these cities that will build a settler, to expedite the process. This way, two cities share the load.

A good pairing for this might be Salamanca (worker) and Pamplona (settler).

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by dejon
A good pairing for this might be Salamanca (worker) and Pamplona (settler).

If Salamanca can get one there in 5 turns...

[BigFree]

Originally posted by dejon
So we have a few cities that are borderline on building a settler. Here's a crazy thought - how about we produce a worker in one of the cities and send it to join a different one of these cities that will build a settler, to expedite the process. This way, two cities share the load.

The only problem is that it is a waste of 10 shields (the cost of the worker)