The Abbey of St. Benedictus

[Aidun]

Welcome in the first monastery, a place for devotion and discussion of catholic concepts and ideas.

In this place any priest, Benedictinian monks* or Benedictian frair** is alowed to propose any idea concerning the Church as institution, the concept of catholicism, the christian religion and any other things related to the christian, catholic religion.

People will not be punished for things they state here as long as they only propose their ideas and do not preach them.

Preaching ideas is only allowed if these ideas are approved by the pope as true.

The inquisition is allowed to deal with people who do not obey to this.

I am looking for a priest who is not a cardinal or wishes to resign from cardinalhood, to become abbot. The task of the abbot is to lead the discussion here and prevent spam. It is the abbot who brings people that preach unapproved ideas before the inquisition.

If you do not agree with the abbot or the ideas generally proposed in here, feel free to found your own abbey as long as you ask approval from the pope.

* Benedictinian monks are ordained members of the Benedictinian order, they are in fact priests. A monk has like all priests the right to preach, while friars don't have that right. Monks can, like friars only be member of one order at the moment.

** Frairs are members of the monastery who are not ordained. [ooc]If your chartacter is not part of the clergy (crusaders are also not part of the clergy unless they have occasionally been ordained, like Nuclear Winter), create a new character who is frair of the Benedictinian order. Your character doesn't need to be ordained by a cardinal. This is needed because I have stated that only frairs, monks and priests have access.
In case people will found new orders, you have to create more characters. A frair or monk can not be mamber of more than one order.

The idea of multiple monasteries with different orders is like political parties that we will have lateron in this game. You are but member of one.[/ooc]

Pope Aidun I

[History Guy]

Your Holiness is most mete and wise in your decisions as always. Hopefully, this Monastery of St. Benedict will become a beacon for the world and a center of our missionary endeavors all over the globe of the earth.

As your first monk here, allow me to put forward my nephew Colomba Calamari, a wise young pupil of the Rev. Dr. Pinch's in the Curia. Friar Colomba is quiet talented with the brush, and so he might be given the job of illuminating our gospels, perhaps?

Cardinal Calamari
The Archbishop of Spain

[civman2000]

Riqui de la Civ, priest of the small town of San Agustin, has come to San Bendicho (OOC: What is the spanish version of benedict?) to request that the pope or some other high church official makes him a friar.

[Aidun]

Riqui de la Civ, if you are already ordained as priest and you want to become member of the Benedictinian order, you will become monk in the order of the Benedictines. The abbot will approve you. If you yourself want to be abbot, let me know and I shall appoint you if there are no other people willing.

Pope Aidun I

[History Guy]

Your Holiness, Your Holiness, a moment, I beg you...

(Brother Colomba runs over, clutching a rosary in one hand, and a big fat letter in the other with a large seal from the Archbishop of all Spain)

My Uncle, the Archbishop of Spain, asks me to ask you here about Article II of the Laws of the Priest in the Canon Law. He made a suggestion to you at the Curia on an addition he wishes to be made, but nothing was acted upon it.

He wishes me to convey to you that it has always been the teaching of the Church [ooc]at least, not the Catholic Church[/ooc] that priests are married to the Church, and cannot be married to another. Like so as Christ is married to the Church, so they too are married to the Church. This should be noted, rather than "for love alone should be given to Christ". Of course a priest will have a love for his family and his good friends. What you mean is carnal love, and to substitute that would be rather unfortunate. Thus, the Archbishop's suggestion is perhaps most prudent and, may I say, accurate.

Secondly, I wish to address Cardinal Winterus's suggestion in the same matter about Mary Magdalene. What he says in an utter falsehood, and cannot be backed up by any word in scripture. Maybe it can be by a heretical song-writer by the name of Andraes Lloydaeus Webberinus, or a strange theatrical director named Martinin Scorcesus, but certainly not by scripture. May I also suggest that the Inquisition go look for those two heretics to stop their false notions?

Brother Colomba Calamari of the Sacred Heart

[civman2000]

Perhaps I am out of place, being but a monk and questioning the Pope and King themselves, but I must ask: How do we justify before God going to war against the so-called Gathering Storm? Yes, they are infidels who worship demons of hell that provide them with control of lightning and storms in return. But are we not primarily helping the Voxians, who do not just worship demons of hell but worship Satan himself, who they call "The One" or "The Voice"? What sense is there in battling infidels if other infidels, perhaps even worse infidels, will end up being the true victors? Rather, I believe we should either conquer the infidels ourselves or peacefully convert them to the salvation of God.

Riqui de la Civ, Priest of San Agustin and Monk of San Benito.

[Aidun]

We are not helping the Voxians in a war, that is not our purpose. We are about to bring victory to christianity and we can only manage that by teaching the people of Gathering Storm what christianity is.
That is not a job of our ambassadors, but of our holy knights, crusaders who have learned the word of the Lord by heart.
Later on we shall teach the Voxians what our faith means, but we can only handle one thing at a moment.

Pope Aidun I

[Aidun]

Originally posted by History Guy
Your Holiness, Your Holiness, a moment, I beg you...

(Brother Colomba runs over, clutching a rosary in one hand, and a big fat letter in the other with a large seal from the Archbishop of all Spain)

My Uncle, the Archbishop of Spain, asks me to ask you here about Article II of the Laws of the Priest in the Canon Law. He made a suggestion to you at the Curia on an addition he wishes to be made, but nothing was acted upon it.

I didn't answer it yet because I wanted move the discussion to here instead of there. I shall take a closer look at it.

Secondly, I wish to address Cardinal Winterus's suggestion in the same matter about Mary Magdalene. What he says in an utter falsehood, and cannot be backed up by any word in scripture. Maybe it can be by a heretical song-writer by the name of Andraes Lloydaeus Webberinus, or a strange theatrical director named Martinin Scorcesus, but certainly not by scripture. May I also suggest that the Inquisition go look for those two heretics to stop their false notions?

Perhaps the Archbishop and Lord Winterius can take a closer look at it and we can all discuss it in here. The matter about Mary Magdalene is a difficicult one and I don't want to make a decision with one advise only. What do the monks and frairs, who study the Bible daily, think about it?

Sacred Heart

Am I right if this is a new monasterial order?


Pope Aidun I

[History Guy]

Your Holiness, I thank you,

Being a reader of the Bible daily, and having written the words down many times over in my copies for the monastery, I can say that without a doubt there is no such reference anywhere in Scripture. If the Essenes have said such, then that is just them. They are heretics anyway, and the Inquistion is asking them to speak up for what their basis is. They have none.

Your Holiness, I have a particular devotion to the Sacred Heart of Christ, as my uncle, the Archbishop has for Saint Hernan de Calamari. It is not a new order.

Brother Riqui,

As His Holiness says, we are not assisting the heretics and devil-worshipers (such as are to be found not only in Persia but above us in Arabia), but we are leading a fallen country back to the true faith. Our Coptic brothers are being persecuted by the pagans, and we must force a turn in policy so that the leaders may recognize our Christian brothers.

Brother Colomba Calamari of the Sacred Heart

[History Guy]

(the cry to step aside for the Archbishop of all Spain is sounded...)

Your Holiness,

(cough, cough)

Might I be so bold as to suggest that you refer to Senor Nuclearius Winterus's very interesting suggestion in the Spanish Army barracks about the idea of an army built for the Most Holy Church?

The Sword of God, he suggests, be the force directly under the control of Your Holiness, the Pope of the See of Peter, for the protection of the Holy Mother Church against heresy and invasion. If cause for crusade is found, then such an army (or at least the offensive troops of that army) will be sent abroad along with the Spanish forces to attack the heretical country that denies the truth of Christ.

The Sword of God will consist mainly of pikemen and defensive forces, including the elite troops, the Swiss Guards. Of course, for the crusades, a group of knights and conquistadors will be raised for attack along with the Spanish troops under the blessing of Your Holiness.

It seems to me that it is a good suggestion, and once Spain has built its troops up a bit more, work on recruitment might begin?

I suggest also that, if this undertaking is to be giving Your Blessing, you appoint a head of this army.

Cardinal Calamari
The Archbishop of Spain

[Aidun]

Originally posted by Pope Aidun I
I support these proposals. It makes the roleplay more realistic. It is true that in fact nothing will change, if I would be given control over some part of the spanish military force, I will hand over the control to senor Astronius or one of his main advirsors. I myself know too little of battlestrategies to be able to properly control the Papal forces. My military adviser will control it in my name.

Pope Aidun I

[civman2000]

Article I. The Bible and especially the word of the Lord is the only truth.

Article II. Absolute rule rests in the hands of the pope.

I do not mean to question the current pope, who is quite righteous and good, but could it not come to be someday that, given the imperfection of man, an unrighteous and unholy pope is chosen? In that case, should the pope still be supreme? Or would it be the duty of the righteous to defy the evil pope and restore goodness to Spain?

Riqui de la Civ, Priest of San Agustin and Monk of San Benito

[History Guy]

The only time that this may occur, I think, is if this Pope, by words or actions, private or public, openly contradicts the Word of God, that is to say the Scripture. If in such a case that occurs, then, and only then, may that Pope be removed by the Curia.

Cardinal Calamari

[Nuclear Winter]

For an evil and Pagan Pope to hide amongst the church like a wolf hidden amongst the shepherds is a thing that I cannot think to be possible; for he would be right under the sharp sword of the Watcher; may I remind you all that the Pope starts out as an ordinary priest, thus being subject to the tests and examinations of the order of the Watcher (or what is actually refered to as ´´The Inquisition´´ though I think this is not yet official) and so it would require such a conjumination of dark powers and spells for this to be able to happen that it would have to be the devil impersonated. And, were him the devil impersonated, our holy order of knights would surely see a sign of this and vanquish him away... oh what? Doesn´t the church have an oficial army group of holy knights? Not even those Swiss guards? Now I am really scared!
Cardinal Winterius

[History Guy]

Cardinal Winterus,

This I tell you is true. The Inquisition has not yet been established, I fear it may be some time yet before it is so. Time enough for pollution and anarchy. We must build a defensive force for the Church so that such evils cannot be made manifest. The Swiss Guards at least must be raised. A troubadour would help. The duty to form the defense of the Holy Church is in our hands, we must look to our work.

Cardinal Calamari