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    I had this conversation with GhengisFarb. I cannot comment due to RL obligations. I will elaborate later.

    [22:18] We need to talk
    [22:20] Alright, if this the way Lux wants it then I guess that is the way it will have to be.
    [22:24] Hi there! Which way?
    [22:24] We have just been informed you have broken the treaty
    [22:24] Which treaty?
    [22:25] The treaty not to trade Horseback Riding to Roleplay.
    [22:25] We did not break it.
    [22:26] You offered to trade it to them in 5 turns AFTER you agreed not to trade it to them.
    [22:26] Why do you think such a thing?
    [22:26] Members of Roleplay informed us
    [22:27] Nonsense. We stated that if they could not get HBR from you, they can trade it with us. But this was clearly agreed with you - YOU have priority here
    [22:28] Just to get things straight - a) Do you agree on that agreement b) Is this what RP told you?
    [22:28] No Yes
    [22:29] Could you tell me what you think the agreement is?
    [22:29] The agreement states that you will not trade Horseback Riding to Roleplay. Period
    [22:29] Hold on, I'll look it up in the books
    [22:31] OK - I have it here:
    [22:31] Lux Invicta hereby trades Iron Working to GoW in exchange for Horseback Riding this turn (2270 BC), ...
    [22:31] ...with the assurance that Lux Invicta will not trade Horseback Riding to the Roleplay Team ...
    [22:31] PERIOD
    [22:31] ...until after a deal has been worked out between the two teams.
    [22:31] Agree on that text?
    [22:32] That last phrase was deleted because it was not part of the negotiated agreement. And the treaty was then sent back to Lux
    [22:32] Let me see...
    [22:34] Who sent it to whom?
    [22:35] Trip doctored the original to mean something different that was agreed to in the chat. I edited it back to what was agreed to. And sent it back to him.
    [22:35] Your team has built up its units for a war, correct?
    [22:36] I have only Trip's message to you and me, including the sentence.
    [22:36] Hmm - before jumping to any conclusions, let us make sure we have the same information
    [22:37] We need a statement from your team to Roleplay that you have agreed not to trade them Horseback Riding and a copy sent to us.
    [22:38] Let me see...
    [22:40] I have a copy of a message stating that, but I cannot send it to you until RP agrees (it was marked confidential)
    [22:40] I propose that =after RP agrees= I send it to you and RP and then we confirm the course of events
    [22:41] You will then see that we gave them space to conduct business with you
    [22:41] You have a copy of a message in which you told RP that you cannot trade Horseback RIding to them.
    [22:43] The message says that we expect a HRB trade between RP, but if this deal be cancelled, we can do business
    [22:43] HRB = HBR
    [22:44] Okay, I will await the document
    [22:45] Hold on - 2 things need to be clear:
    [22:45] 1) Which exact wording was used in our agreement (I need Trip for that)
    [22:46] 2) RP has to agree that I send you a copy of the confidential message
    [22:46] Can you agree on that?
    [22:48] i can agree that those need to be clear.
    [22:48] All right. I will need some time to do that.
    [22:48] Okay
    [22:48] As I said - do not jump to conclusions, please.
    [22:48] Many of my team members already have.
    [22:48] I will contact Trip and RP. Who is the person you have contact with in RP?
    [22:49] I cannot say, as they were unaware that the treaty between Lux and Roleplay existed.
    [22:50] OK. I will talk to you later. Bye!
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  • #2
    More Problems. Our affairs with VOx is going nuts. Jon Miller is whingin that they wont be getting tier 2 tech for tier 2 tech. We are not at a position to give tier 2 tech to tehm due to their situation. And even wosre they feel that mysticism isnt owed to us. Sigh.
    :-p

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    • #3
      Good lord. Everyone is backing out on their deals. We need some strong allies; we can't keep trying to play everyone for tech deals.

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      • #4
        Stick to the subject. We need to convince GoW that we have not broken any deal. Ghengis' statement:

        That last phrase was deleted because it was not part of the negotiated agreement. And the treaty was then sent back to Lux
        ...is ridiculous (I hope - Trip can you confirm that you did not receive such a PM ?)

        We clearly opened up options for GoW to trade HBR. We can prove that. The Question is: do we want to? We need RP for this.

        Apparently, RP is leaking information to GoW. I will speak to RP about this.
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        • #5
          This is a Civ soap opera

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          • #6
            Hold on...have we lost anything? We got HBR for IW, what did we get from Vox for IW-Myst???

            Someone help me out, here...
            "If you're not having fun, then you're losing the game."-Copyright Warrior Poet 11/18/2002 "No plan survives first contact with the enemy."-Tsun Tzu -Don't know when B.C.

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            • #7
              Check out the Trades thread.
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              • #8
                We need to sort out Whether that final line was in the aggreement. I do agree that we can't continue to play everyone for deals, at least to teh extent we have been. especially how we know the other teams esp. GoW and RP and saying what deals we have with each. We can still suggest things for te other teams to research, but trying to engage with elaborate trading schemes with GoW and RP just isnt going to work.
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                • #9
                  GhengisFarb wrote on January 26th, 2003 04:40 am:

                  Trip wrote on 23-01-2003 02:11:
                  This is the official agreement, as outlined by the previous meeting between LI and GoW, witnessed by BigFurryMonster and Trip of Lux Invicta, and GhengisFarb of Glory of War:

                  Lux Invicta hereby trades Iron Working to GoW in exchange for Horseback Riding this turn (2270 BC), with the assurance that Lux Invicta will not trade Horseback Riding to the Roleplay Team.

                  The second part of the deal is as follows: GoW will trade Mathematics (which it will acquire from Neu Demogyptica in about 10 turns) to LI when it recieves it, and LI will trade Mysticism to GoW as soon as it has it. GoW is expected to reveal knowledge of this deal to no one but ND, and only if they ask for such information.

                  This document under these terms have been officially agreed to by officials holding authority on both teams.
                  Agreed.

                  We've mapped out the east coast and there is no way Roleplay has contact with any other civ. I've even confirmed it with some of the Roleplay members so this will mean they have to get Horseback Riding from us.
                  Unfortunately for GF, he sent it back modified (which I didn't notice) with the word "agreed". The problem for him is that he sent back a revised version which I did not agree to. That means there was no binding contract ever made.

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                  • #10
                    So we win on a technicality?

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                    • #11
                      Yes.

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                      • #12
                        We need to talk this out with GhengisFarb. I don't know whether he did this on purpose or not, but he cannot send us back a modified agreement with the word 'agreed' on it and expecting us to agree as well. Trip - can you be in the chatroom around 19:00 GMT? Ghengis is usually there, so we might contact him. Then, we can do three things:

                        a) Go for the technicality. We left them room to trade, which we can have confirmed by RP, and that's it. We'll trade HBR.

                        b) Tell them we didn't like this, and give them 3 turns to work out a trade between GoW and RP. If they can't agree, we will trade them HBR.

                        c) Tell them we didn't like this, and not trade HBR with RP. We will be losing credibility from RP, then.
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                        • #13
                          1900? That would be noon here, when I have lots of classes. I was thinking later in the day would be better...
                          Last edited by Jon Shafer; January 28, 2003, 04:15.

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                          • #14
                            Is this worked out?
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                            • #15
                              No - nothing has been worked out yet. Our office is open for suggestions.
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